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If you believe multi-culturism is a nation killer and considering the U.S. is a multi-cultural society what would you propose be done? This should be interesting.
Just apply the Golden Rule - treat people with respect period, no matter what their cultural backgrounds are and respect the differences and find commonalities with what you do and share.
Thinking is hard work, that’s why so few do it.
Treat your Muslim Extremists with respect? How bout your MS13 gangs? Shall we send flowers to ISIS, invite Al Qaeda over for a summer BBQ?
I’m all in favor of treating people as you wish to be treated .... so long as their stated goal and intent, along with their actions is not to subjugate, dominate or destroy. For them, the golden rule is inapplicable, if you have two functioning brain cells.
We do have a Muslim in the cast, as a matter of fact. He works a regular job at the VA Hospital here caring for the patients and cutting their hair. I don't think we have anyone who is Jewish, but that's a subject nobody asks about. We simply don't care what someone else believes. It is their right and privilege to follow whatever belief system they prefer, or none at all. That is one of the big reasons this country exists - a haven for all religions to follow their own paths.
It takes all colors working together to make a rainbow. I'll sit pat, thanks. Hating someone because they are different takes too much time and effort.
I think you missed the point. So let me clarify ..... and let’s specifically address the “religious freedom” matter you raised. Yes, we have the freedom to follow our own path, spiritually. But there has to be limitations to the extent to which that freedom is allowed. It first and foremost must adhere to rules governing civil society, and it must also recognize other’s rights to the same freedom. Either of those criteria not being met, the freedom is therefore null and void.
Of course, you may believe that Satanists, in the free practice of their religious beliefs, be allowed to perform human sacrifices. I don’t think too many people (other than Satanists) would agree with you.
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If you believe multi-culturism is a nation killer and considering the U.S. is a multi-cultural society what would you propose be done? This should be interesting.
You limit the importation of people from areas of the world that have a proven track record of non-assimilation or who adhere to illiberal religions. This can be done as long as people stop being so PC. We know where and who the problem people and cultures are. And most people (even if they are too polite to say it out loud) will understand.
If you can't limit the importation of these people from incompatible cultures, then at a MINIMUM, our media and political class can stop pandering to them, glorifying their **** cultural practices. How much time is spent moderating the feelings of Muslims in the west? How much time in comparison to their (for now) relatively small numbers? For what? Because we're scared to be blown up? That alone should be enough for option (1) discussed above.
But again, if we lack the political will to limit the introduction of these people from these dumb cultures, we shouldn't spend so many resources glorifying their abnormal and backwards religious practices. We don't do that with the Amish or FLDS people in America, for example...yet every time some idiot hijabi graces the coverage of a magazine it's taken as a token of "progress" and "stunning and brave."
Of course, that's nonsense. But it's ALSO normalization of regressive cultural mores and subjugation of woman wrapped in orientalism and gushed about as "beautiful" primarily by effete skinny white liberal men and their fat white liberal girlfriends.
(Funny thing being, that the first who would be thrown off a building and the latter wrapped tighter in a burka than the sweets in her pocket faster than you could say "Allahu Akbar" should Islam ever become the predominant religion in America or the "west.")
This post defines liberal confusion quite nicely ....first, it shows the obvious confusion between “cultural diversity” compared to a mix of same neighborhood people of different race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, which are totally different things. But it fits perfectly with the typical liberal SJW declarations of moral superiority and open mindedness in full swing. So, you have a Mexican cameraman, and a gender confused sound person .... I’m thoroughly UNIMPRESSED. Want to truly impress someone? Make your cameraman an Israeli Jew, your sound-man a Muslim fundamentalist, your wardrobe person a gay male, catering mgr Somali refugee, accountant Nigerian, and your security team ISIS Syrians. Then, if anyone is still alive in 30 days, I’ll be impressed.
Now I say this in a rhetorical manner for a reason ....: when you push, promote, support and defend something you either don't understand, or have grossly misunderstood, you are putting yourself and everyone else in jeopardy, out of ignorance to the unanticipated consequences of your ill conceived ideas
Explain further please. No argument that people with the same ethnicity can adopt different cultures. Or that those who are culturally different may be of the same ethnicity. For example, there are cultural (read socio-political) differences among Americans from very similar backgrounds (Great Britain roots, either ethnically or culturally). This is one of the sources of the political divide in this country.
Ethnicity cannot be altered; culture can be, although even it remains somewhat stable. The question becomes can those of different ethnicities and cultures live and work together in the same country? In the example you were replying to, the Mexican cameraman worked well on the film project. That same cameraman may have gone home to a family that spoke Spanish in a neighborhood filled with bodegas. So what?
Your counter-example set up a hypothetical interaction where you had the participants killing each other. Now that would be a problem. Any situation that promotes conflict is problematic - but that ISIS Syrians or the Ku Klux Klan.
I don't know the Roman Empire adopted many cultures and lasted a good long time. Nearly 500 years on top of the food chain.
The issue is not multiculturalism it is internal rot and the prevalence of fear that drives nations down. Rome was strongest when it looked outward and became weak when it looked inward.
The US needs to look outward again and not become an insular nation that will lead to its inevitable decline.
The Trump administration is a manifestation of weakness not strength.
The United States has always been an experiment - from its Founding, with the gatherings of peoples from different backgrounds an essential part of its culture.
That's not to say tribalism is not real for it exists. The first colonies were divided with each containing immigrants of similar beliefs. The Scots-Irish unable to fit into either Yankee culture or Quaker-dominated eastern Pennsylvania moved west to the frontier. The Constitution was a compromise crafted to allow for differing cultural expressions (for example, freedom of religion).
We've always been more of a salad bowl than a melting pot, albeit a salad bowl where over time peoples have merged from marrying into different groups or moving into an area dominated by another group. That this "melting" can happen is part of what America's all about - our culture.
As the nation grew, there's always been a certain tension between innate tribalism and the American ethos with at times restrictive immigration laws. (That doesn't mean the nation should not control inflows - or manage them for our economic advantage.) One cultural clash resulted in the Civil War.
What makes this county work is that culturally divergent groups can work well together within the country as a whole just as that Mexican can work with other ethnicities/cultures on the movie set described above. This even though they may still live within homogenous family groups or in homogeneous neighborhoods.
The larger value is freedom of choice and freedom of movement and maintaining the ideal of what many feel America is all about even if that ideal comes at times with certain challenges.
Treat your Muslim Extremists with respect? How bout your MS13 gangs? Shall we send flowers to ISIS, invite Al Qaeda over for a summer BBQ?
I’m all in favor of treating people as you wish to be treated .... so long as their stated goal and intent, along with their actions is not to subjugate, dominate or destroy. For them, the golden rule is inapplicable, if you have two functioning brain cells.
And you're the prime example of one who can't live up to your words in the bold. Thank you!
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There are no permanent immigrants. The first generation never fully assimilates but their descendants do. American culture isn't threatened, only the Republican Party and it's far right politics.
There are no permanent immigrants. The first generation never fully assimilates but their descendants do. American culture isn't threatened, only the Republican Party and it's far right politics.
Here's what you don't get. We have allowed in way too many immigrants into our country in a short period of time and millions are here illegally. Most are from one ethnic group. That results in colonization and transformation not assimilation. It doesn't change after a couple of generations either. We have businesses and a government that panders to them culturally and linguistically unlike the immigrants of the past who weren't and wanted to be a part of our identifying culture rather than changing ours. We are no longer a melting pot. It's the Democrats and their far left politics that are creating this mess.
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