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Old 06-20-2019, 02:37 PM
 
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Winning ain’t everything. When I talk to a fellow Democrat, I want to know that he’s a believer. If he’s not, he should take a long walk off a short pier. Bye.

Losing elections sucks, but there are worse things in this world. Unlike you, the sun doesn’t rise or set in my life based on who’s in office. It ain’t that serious.
Talk about a walking contradiction...

You will put out people who don't believe to your minimum standards... but then it ain't that serious...
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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I'll NEVER be a Limbaugh-Hannity Republican, they make me throw up in my mouth... But, I'm losing all faith in the Democrats too.
Whats with the absolute pandering for votes they've been doing?
California wants healthcare for Illegals?!?! I work 60 hours/week and can barely afford healthcare. Now they want my tax dollars to pay for an illegal to get it for free! I just had a tooth pulled because a root canal was too expensive but wait... we have to subsidize people who don't even live, work or pay taxes here (legally)???
Complete pandering for the Mexican vote.
News flash. Mexican Americans living and working in California probably feel the same way I do.
New York wants to give illegals drivers licenses! Really? Like some illegal alien is going to sign up at the registry. Never going to happen, just pandering for the Hispanic vote in NY.

Why don't they do what their original base voters want them to do and support the middle class.
We don't want old school socialism but we need social safety nets so one trip to the MD doesn't mean you cannot pay rent that month.

Giving away tax dollars for votes is as bad as the Reps giving tax breaks for votes!!!
Wow! Coming from you - cause I've seen your posts - we may have debated a few times back and forth...but I know how you feel about Republicans and especially Trump - so for you to say this...is quite a shock.

I'm certain you'll never be a "Hannity Republican" since you've made it clear in the past how you feel about Hannity. And I know you don't like Trump.

So - what will you do at election time?

The problem is, the people who need to hear this either aren't listening or don't care. Or both. I've seen a lot of Dems leave their party. Some go Republican, some don't, but they will not vote for Dems anymore because of some of the same things you said here, plus a whole lot of other reasons. Ultimately, they feel betrayed, as you do, according to what you've written.

The left needs to stop letting the SJWs and far left speak for them. Those people are destroying the Dem party, and yet they are the smallest percent of people in this country.
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Originally Posted by StuartGotts View Post
I'll NEVER be a Limbaugh-Hannity Republican, they make me throw up in my mouth... But, I'm losing all faith in the Democrats too.
Whats with the absolute pandering for votes they've been doing?
California wants healthcare for Illegals?!?! I work 60 hours/week and can barely afford healthcare. Now they want my tax dollars to pay for an illegal to get it for free! I just had a tooth pulled because a root canal was too expensive but wait... we have to subsidize people who don't even live, work or pay taxes here (legally)???
Complete pandering for the Mexican vote.
News flash. Mexican Americans living and working in California probably feel the same way I do.
New York wants to give illegals drivers licenses! Really? Like some illegal alien is going to sign up at the registry. Never going to happen, just pandering for the Hispanic vote in NY.

Why don't they do what their original base voters want them to do and support the middle class.
We don't want old school socialism but we need social safety nets so one trip to the MD doesn't mean you cannot pay rent that month.

Giving away tax dollars for votes is as bad as the Reps giving tax breaks for votes!!!
No, they don't want your vote anymore. Your vote and others like you are being replaced by ILLEGAL ALIENS, and the Progressive zealots that hate America. That's why they are pushing or Amnesty which is really Open Borders as it incentivizes coming hear ILLEGALLY, and scamming the system using YOUR tax dollars.
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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Sure we realize it. And Democrats like me don’t mind you leaving.

It’s time for the Democratic Party to be a liberal party. Enough of riding the fence. If you want to be a member of a party that’s Republican lite, go join the other party.

If the Republicans can declare themselves to be a Conservative party that tolerates NO dissent on the party line (as they have done), then we Democrats have a right to do the same. If you’re not a believer, LEAVE.
Not really the best tact to take recruiting people to your side.

I'm a Democrat and lean left on most issues, but pandering to Hispanics through the illegal immigration issue is probably the #1 reason Hillary lost the election. Maybe the long game it plays out the other way, but that may take 15 years to see fruition..meanwhile Trump could win again.

A country has a right to control it's borders. To call everyone who supports that position a racist or xenophobe is hyperbole and bad politics. I realize that's what Hispanic groups and "one world" leftists support ....virtually open borders..... and that's why the party caters to that position. Rest assured, that was the position that turned the election to Trump.
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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No, they don't want your vote anymore. Your vote and others like you are being replaced by ILLEGAL ALIENS, and the Progressive zealots that hate America. That's why they are pushing or Amnesty which is really Open Borders as it incentivizes coming hear ILLEGALLY, and scamming the system using YOUR tax dollars.
The Democrats are betting on the continued growth of the Hispanic vote enough to carry them home, so they don't have to rely on white voters, who they know they cannot win with nationally.
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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But California is not the rest of the US. They've always been, well, like California.
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:41 PM
 
Location: southern california
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The greatest arsenal in the gop party
Cortez, waters, Frederick smith and ohmar center stage dem podium 24/7
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:41 PM
 
Location: California
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LOL you just lost the OP. Hes likely a moderate thinking about going on your side more and you just basically said Limbaugh and Hannity are intelligent and correct on so many issues.

Never hurts to try. He won’t get his issues taken care of by being moderate.
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:44 PM
 
Location: California
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No, they don't want your vote anymore. Your vote and others like you are being replaced by ILLEGAL ALIENS, and the Progressive zealots that hate America. That's why they are pushing or Amnesty which is really Open Borders as it incentivizes coming hear ILLEGALLY, and scamming the system using YOUR tax dollars.
That’s what it’s about and so many people are ok with this.
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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The Democrats are betting on the continued growth of the Hispanic vote enough to carry them home, so they don't have to rely on white voters, who they know they cannot win with nationally.
The Democrats are betting on the continued return to sanity following the joke currently in the White House. And yes, we will gain many new voters as the Hispanic population continues to grow, but we will also gain a huge voting block in the Millennials, who are very progressive, very involved, and a bigger cohort than even the Baby Boomers.

The GOP is a dead party walking.
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