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Old 06-29-2019, 08:09 PM
 
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The Republican Party's attack on women's reproductive rights has put the nation on an alarmimg path.

According to Duke University’s Journal of Health Politics, Policy and Law, there were 413 documented cases of women being prosecuted for having miscarriages or attempting abortions between the time Roe v. Wade became the law of the land and 2005.

Between 2005 and 2014, the Guttmacher Institute documented another 380 cases.

During Mike Pence’s first year as governor of Indiana, his state put a young woman in prison for having a miscarriage, alleging that she’d taken an abortion-causing drug. Purvi Patel didn’t have a trace of such a drug in her system, but Pence’s state sentenced her to 20 years in prison anyway. Just a few years earlier, Indiana had also held Bei Bei Shuai for 435 days in a maximum security prison, facing 45 years to life for trying to kill herself and, in the process, causing the death of her 33-week fetus.

Utah charged 28-year-old Melissa Ann Rowland with murder because she refused a C-section, preferring vaginal birth for her twins, and one of them died. Sixteen-year-old Rennie Gibbs was charged by the state of Mississippi with “depraved heart murder” when her baby was born dead because his umbilical cord was wrapped around his neck: her crime was that she had cocaine in her bloodstream, according to prosecutors. Angela Carder was ordered to have a C-section to deliver her baby before she died of cancer; both she and the baby died from the procedure.

Alabama is among at least 38 states with laws that classify fetuses as victims in homicide or assault, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. In Alabama, a “person” includes embryos and fetuses at any stage of development.

Lynn Paltrow, executive director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women, says Alabama leads the country in mothers charged with crimes related to pregnancy.
“Alabama has indicted Ms. Jones, claiming it is a crime for a woman to be unable to protect her own life and health.”

Alarming!

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Old 06-29-2019, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Nice, France
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Can't even know how to rep that.

And also, Walt Whitman. Song of myself. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poe...f-1892-version

Just a few verses of one of a great author.

Good luck america.
Late 19's whoever cares to read it.
 
Old 06-29-2019, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The Republican Party's attack on women's reproductive rights has put the nation on an alarmimg path.

According to Duke University’s Journal of Health Politics, Policy and Law, there were 413 documented cases of women being prosecuted for having miscarriages or attempting abortions between the time Roe v. Wade became the law of the land and 2005.

Between 2005 and 2014, the Guttmacher Institute documented another 380 cases.

During Mike Pence’s first year as governor of Indiana, his state put a young woman in prison for having a miscarriage, alleging that she’d taken an abortion-causing drug. Purvi Patel didn’t have a trace of such a drug in her system, but Pence’s state sentenced her to 20 years in prison anyway. Just a few years earlier, Indiana had also held Bei Bei Shuai for 435 days in a maximum security prison, facing 45 years to life for trying to kill herself and, in the process, causing the death of her 33-week fetus.

Utah charged 28-year-old Melissa Ann Rowland with murder because she refused a C-section, preferring vaginal birth for her twins, and one of them died. Sixteen-year-old Rennie Gibbs was charged by the state of Mississippi with “depraved heart murder” when her baby was born dead because his umbilical cord was wrapped around his neck: her crime was that she had cocaine in her bloodstream, according to prosecutors. Angela Carder was ordered to have a C-section to deliver her baby before she died of cancer; both she and the baby died from the procedure.

Alabama is among at least 38 states with laws that classify fetuses as victims in homicide or assault, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. In Alabama, a “person” includes embryos and fetuses at any stage of development.

Lynn Paltrow, executive director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women, says Alabama leads the country in mothers charged with crimes related to pregnancy.
“Alabama has indicted Ms. Jones, claiming it is a crime for a woman to be unable to protect her own life and health.”

Alarming!
Yes it's alarming! I didn't know such insane stuff was going on against women here in the USA. In a number of those cases, the women have already suffered enough from losing their babies. Once again, women need to come out in large numbers to vote out legislators who support such acts being done against them. Guys, too. You may not have to worry about yourself, but what if it was your granddaughter's miscarriage or fatal birth she had?

I wonder in other countries if women have to be concerned about being charged with such nonsense.

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Old 06-29-2019, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Pretty soon, any woman in Alabama who has a miscarriage will be interrogated by police and her medical records will be subpoenaed.
So that could discourage pregnant Alabama women to think twice about seeking prenatal care. That may not work out well for the unborn baby. Republicans in their moral insanity can end up putting the unborn baby in danger.
 
Old 06-29-2019, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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The politicians, prosecutors and police in Alabama have become drunk with a false sense of power. They are driving the rapid degeneration of society there. Should other states be offering to provide a safe haven for refugees, who must flee to retain their freedom? Should other states refuse to extradite people who have left Alabama, to avoid such malicious prosecution? Should Alabama be allowed to secede from the Union?

I sense that many of the most conservative right-wingers and Trump-supporters from other states, will recognize from this, the danger of letting fundamentalist extremists gain political power. This parallels what happened in Afghanistan when the Taliban seized control. Girls were no longer allowed to attend school, children could not play games outside or do things like flying kites. A damper was put on all activities and expressions of happiness. Music was banned, unless it had a religious function. Then, when parts of the country were liberated from these oppressors, the people were joyful and reveled in the simple freedoms they could enjoy again.

Conservatives in this country who don't recognize the need to bring this extremism under control, will see their political fortunes declining even further and faster.

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Old 06-30-2019, 12:59 AM
 
Location: Nice, France
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Conservatives in this country who don't recognize the need to bring this extremism under control, will see their political fortunes declining even further and faster.
One can only hope.

I wouldn't bet on it though. Ie history and nature. When one's cornered, there will be hell before they reliquish. Not even mentioning they (anyone) might have been wrong.

Human nature at its very best.
 
Old 06-30-2019, 03:37 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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Is this a case of stand your ground meets anti-abortion?
 
Old 06-30-2019, 05:51 AM
 
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Is this a case of stand your ground meets anti-abortion?
That's called "intersectionality." But not what the people who coined "intersectionality" intended it to be.
 
Old 06-30-2019, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So that could discourage pregnant Alabama women to think twice about seeking prenatal care. That may not work out well for the unborn baby. Republicans in their moral insanity can end up putting the unborn baby in danger.
Exactly. If I knew my pregnancy could be scrutinized by law enforcement, I'd be cautious about having medical records out there, that police could get their hands on to try and determine why I had a miscarriage. It looks like Alabama wants to start monitoring pregnancies, putting women in prison for having a glass of wine, not eating a well balanced diet or not taking prenatal vitamins.
 
Old 06-30-2019, 11:07 AM
 
Location: London
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Exactly. If I knew my pregnancy could be scrutinized by law enforcement, I'd be cautious about having medical records out there, that police could get their hands on to try and determine why I had a miscarriage. It looks like Alabama wants to start monitoring pregnancies, putting women in prison for having a glass of wine, not eating a well balanced diet or not taking prenatal vitamins.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of women just start avoiding all prenatal care. The moment a woman finds out she's pregnant, she might decide to avoid being diagnosed pregnant in case she has the misfortune of miscarrying, which she could be blamed and prosecuted for.

The wealthier women (or those very close to state borders) might be able to just get all prenatal care in a more reasonable state, but even that's theoretically very risky considering how data is shared everywhere.

Going to Mexico would be their best bet.
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