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The good news is the homeowner made it through this but there's something wrong with anyone who wants to celebrate the story.
Two really screwed up people lost their lives in a self afflicted way because they were trying to steal guns and weed from the homeowner.
If they didn't think there were guns and marijuana, maybe they wouldn't have broken into this particular house.
And even if they were the scum of the earth, the homeowner still has to live with the fact that he killed two people while traumatically facing two people who meant him harm. That's a pretty traumatic event for normal thinking people to go through, even when they're justified in doing so.
And while the bad guys didn't get the guns this time, because there are so many in circulation, other bad guys just like them have lots of opportunities to target and break into homes of other law abiding citizens and steal these guns that then get used in crimes. This happens time and time again in various crime reports and it happens in every locality because there are so many guns in circulation.
Everybody thinks they're going to be Rambo with these guns and just blow away the bad elements, but it's pretty common that the thugs get their hands on these weapons from breaking into law abiding peoples homes and then they get used in a criminal way.
It's really nothing to celebrate.
The good news is the homeowner made it through this but there's something wrong with anyone who wants to celebrate the story.
Two really screwed up people lost their lives in a self afflicted way because they were trying to steal guns and weed from the homeowner.
If they didn't think there were guns and marijuana, maybe they wouldn't have broken into this particular house.
And even if they were the scum of the earth, the homeowner still has to live with the fact that he killed two people while traumatically facing two people who meant him harm. That's a pretty traumatic event for normal thinking people to go through, even when they're justified in doing so.
And while the bad guys didn't get the guns this time, because there are so many in circulation, other bad guys just like them have lots of opportunities to target and break into homes of other law abiding citizens and steal these guns that then get used in crimes. This happens time and time again in various crime reports and it happens in every locality because there are so many guns in circulation.
Everybody thinks they're going to be Rambo with these guns and just blow away the bad elements, but it's pretty common that the thugs get their hands on these weapons from breaking into law abiding peoples homes and then they get used in a criminal way.
It's really nothing to celebrate.
What you described is a harsh truth that many people might overlook when hearing or reading about stories like this.
The good news is the homeowner made it through this but there's something wrong with anyone who wants to celebrate the story.
Two really screwed up people lost their lives in a self afflicted way because they were trying to steal guns and weed from the homeowner.
If they didn't think there were guns and marijuana, maybe they wouldn't have broken into this particular house.
And even if they were the scum of the earth, the homeowner still has to live with the fact that he killed two people while traumatically facing two people who meant him harm. That's a pretty traumatic event for normal thinking people to go through, even when they're justified in doing so.
And while the bad guys didn't get the guns this time, because there are so many in circulation, other bad guys just like them have lots of opportunities to target and break into homes of other law abiding citizens and steal these guns that then get used in crimes. This happens time and time again in various crime reports and it happens in every locality because there are so many guns in circulation.
Everybody thinks they're going to be Rambo with these guns and just blow away the bad elements, but it's pretty common that the thugs get their hands on these weapons from breaking into law abiding peoples homes and then they get used in a criminal way.
It's really nothing to celebrate.
There is a difference between celebrating and showing the anti-constitutional leftist kooks that high capacity firearms do serve a purpose.
While the average person who owns one will never encounter what this guy did, it can happen to anyone. Just like the story of the sicko shooting up a church, and a nearby guy grabbed his semi-auto AR-15 rifle and saved lives by engaging the murderer.
As to criminals stealing guns, that is no reason not to own them. Responsible owners do not want their guns stolen, even more so than the non gun owning public. However just like with cars, jewelry or other items criminals target, possessions will be stolen.
Not everyone can afford a gun safe, but still need a weapon. So I am not really sure where you were going with that train of thought.
The bottom line is that the leftist MSM is anti-2nd Amendment, and are always telling only one side of the story.
Thus when stories like this occur, don't be surprised when those who feel they have no voice want to tout a positive story about the proper use and need for high capacity firearms.
I'm sure those 4 upstanding citizens were actually trying to break into a volunteer organization in order to do charity work. It was an honest mistake and clearly the homeowner's fault. I bet the homeowner is racist and sexist.
There is a difference between celebrating and showing the anti-constitutional leftist kooks that high capacity firearms do serve a purpose.
While the average person who owns one will never encounter what this guy did, it can happen to anyone. Just like the story of the sicko shooting up a church, and a nearby guy grabbed his semi-auto AR-15 rifle and saved lives by engaging the murderer.
As to criminals stealing guns, that is no reason not to own them. Responsible owners do not want their guns stolen, even more so than the non gun owning public. However just like with cars, jewelry or other items criminals target, possessions will be stolen.
Not everyone can afford a gun safe, but still need a weapon. So I am not really sure where you were going with that train of thought.
The bottom line is that the leftist MSM is anti-2nd Amendment, and are always telling only one side of the story.
Thus when stories like this occur, don't be surprised when those who feel they have no voice want to tout a positive story about the proper use and need for high capacity firearms.
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My point was simply that there's a shared interest among good people to see criminals not get their hands on firearms, especially those high capacity ones, and having lots more of them in various places increases the number of opportunities for criminals to get their hands on them, and may attract them (as it did in this case) if they think a house is going to yield them some high powered weapons. I constantly see local reports that "Joe Smith reported to the Police that a glock and rifle were stolen from his home". Joe Smith may be a fine, upstanding person but the thugs that stole them out of his house when he was not home aren't and now there are two more weapons in circulation that bad people have and will use to commit a crime with.
Yes, people do have a fundamental right to defend themselves against people who threaten their own or their family's lives. As far as people who have weapons but no gun safe or way of securing their weapons and ammunition, particularly if there are children or people who are mentally unstable in the home, then they cannot be responsible gun owners in that situation. The main threat to them is that a kid gets ahold of it and something tragic happens or someone who lives in the home who is depressed and has mental issues going on gets ahold of it and something tragic happens.
These tragedies happens a lot, way too often (once is too often really), and often more than the sensational violent shootout that makes the news. A lot of people (not all, but a lot) who are gun enthusiasts don't really present the downside or risk of having easy access to powerful firearms.
And I'm not sure how supporters of people owning high capacity firearms feel they have have no voice because they have quite a bit of lobbying activity that is opposing any and all gun control. Unless by having no voice you mean that crime victims have to put up with too much when their perpetrators are just given a slap on the wrist and then let back out to traumatize other law abiding people minding their own business.
My point was simply that there's a shared interest among good people to see criminals not get their hands on firearms, especially those high capacity ones, and having lots more of them in various places increases the number of opportunities for criminals to get their hands on them, and may attract them (as it did in this case) if they think a house is going to yield them some high powered weapons. I constantly see local reports that "Joe Smith reported to the Police that a glock and rifle were stolen from his home". Joe Smith may be a fine, upstanding person but the thugs that stole them out of his house when he was not home aren't and now there are two more weapons in circulation that bad people have and will use to commit a crime with.
Yes, people do have a fundamental right to defend themselves against people who threaten their own or their family's lives. As far as people who have weapons but no gun safe or way of securing their weapons and ammunition, particularly if there are children or people who are mentally unstable in the home, then they cannot be responsible gun owners in that situation. The main threat to them is that a kid gets ahold of it and something tragic happens or someone who lives in the home who is depressed and has mental issues going on gets ahold of it and something tragic happens.
These tragedies happens a lot, way too often (once is too often really), and often more than the sensational violent shootout that makes the news. A lot of people (not all, but a lot) who are gun enthusiasts don't really present the downside or risk of having easy access to powerful firearms.
And I'm not sure how supporters of people owning high capacity firearms feel they have have no voice because they have quite a bit of lobbying activity that is opposing any and all gun control.
Excellent posts. If this guy had high caliper weapons such as AR-15s, which as we know is a weapon of war, along with weed, he should have had much better electronic security and fencing. You slow down their entry, then call 911 and let the police do their job. You do not need a weapon of war to protect yourself.
This is also an argument against the legalization of marijuana, as we have stupidly done in my state (WA).
Excellent posts. If this guy had high caliper weapons such as AR-15s, which as we know is a weapon of war, along with weed, he should have had much better electronic security and fencing. You slow down their entry, then call 911 and let the police do their job. You do not need a weapon of war to protect yourself.
This is also an argument against the legalization of marijuana, as we have stupidly done in my state (WA).
You are so clueless.
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