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Old 08-21-2019, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Why is calling it theft extreme? Because it sounds bad?



If government were voluntary then there would be no government.



But the majority didn't agree to it under monarchy. The same is true in China today, and the old Soviet Union. And even in America today I doubt the majority actually agree on every tax. And did Trump even win a majority of the vote?



Then why are we fighting?

I don't find this conversation remotely interesting because it misses the point. Sure taxation might be theft, and maybe collateral-damage is murder. But does that make taxation bad? What would actually happen if there was no taxation? Do you want to live in that world? If not then taxation is good.

That is the debate we ought to be having. Not trying to redefine words because it sounds bad.
They want the words to be redefined because it's the only way to make their world livable.

I don't know what the big deal is tbh. When you become an anarchist you don't redefine anymore and life goes on. You're disappointed in society, sure, but you are also relieved to be honest with yourself. If enough people refuse to believe in the false paradigm (the State) those words not only don't have to be redefined for them but the acts themselves don't have to be carried out.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:35 PM
 
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They want the words to be redefined because it's the only way to make their world livable.

I don't know what the big deal is tbh. When you become an anarchist you don't redefine anymore and life goes on. You're disappointed in society, sure, but you are also relieved to be honest with yourself. If enough people refuse to believe in the false paradigm (the State) those words not only don't have to be redefined for them but the acts themselves don't have to be carried out.
Because the State is a necessary evil and can be for the best or worse. Anarchy is always for the worst.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Because the State is a necessary evil and can be for the best or worse. Anarchy is always for the worst.
Mental exhaustion is setting in. I may need to ask the State for permission to get some rest and return later.
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Old 08-21-2019, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Well I'm not much of a fan of property tax. Most of it goes to public schools, which I'm also not a fan. To "educate" illegal aliens, foreigners and other misfits that shouldn't even be in my neighborhood or district. I could accept paying for real American's kids to get a real education, but not what it's actually being used for.
I could accept paying for it if it was 100% voluntary. But it's not.
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Old 08-21-2019, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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They want the words to be redefined because it's the only way to make their world livable.

I don't know what the big deal is tbh. When you become an anarchist you don't redefine anymore and life goes on. You're disappointed in society, sure, but you are also relieved to be honest with yourself. If enough people refuse to believe in the false paradigm (the State) those words not only don't have to be redefined for them but the acts themselves don't have to be carried out.
It truly is a weight off your shoulders when you accept anarchy and realize that the State is inherently beyond redemption.
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Old 08-21-2019, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Because the State is a necessary evil and can be for the best or worse. Anarchy is always for the worst.
Nope. The State is an unnecessary evil.

Anarchy is human nature.
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Old 08-21-2019, 10:10 PM
 
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I could accept paying for it if it was 100% voluntary. But it's not.
If it was voluntary, I wouldn't pay because I reject open borders neighborhoods and the alien and invasive species it brings in .
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Old 08-21-2019, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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If it was voluntary, I wouldn't pay because I reject open borders neighborhoods and the alien and invasive species it brings in .
Open borders is a fallacy.

Property borders are the only proper demarcations.
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Old 08-21-2019, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Open borders is a fallacy.

Property borders are the only proper demarcations.
The irony, of course, is that with legitimate private property borders and freedom of association you could very well never have to pay for or come across another human being you didn't want to have those dealings with.

Plus it's all done non-violently. You know, if human trafficking and kidnapping (the real definitions of "border security") are immoral to you.
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Old 08-21-2019, 10:29 PM
 
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Open borders is a fallacy.

Property borders are the only proper demarcations.
That's where you really lose me completely. A controlled border is everything, anything else is secondary and negotiable.
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