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Old 08-21-2019, 06:09 PM
 
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Ayn Rand is highly over-rated.
Russian fiction writer who hated Christians (all religion) and pushed for free sex and lived in a commune.
BUT, when she got older and her BF decided to follow her teachings and take up with a young thing...she freaked out.

Libertarians are nothing if not inconsistent. I know a few who - not kidding - are into the "bad bad state" for vast sums. One is well over a million in. The other about 500K, but there is still more time for both to run up the bills.

But I am 100% certain they would get on here and preach right along with other "libertarians".....
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Libertarians are nothing if not inconsistent.
Objectivist != libertarian.

Anarchist != libertarian.

Anarchist != objectivist.



As pointed out before, Ayn Rand hated both libertarians and anarchists. She believed anarchists were basically communist-lite.
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:38 PM
 
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Necessary for what?



Theft occurs when you take something from someone without their permission. Even a five-year old knows that.
You permit taxation by living in a jurisdiction and not voting for a representative who will not tax you.
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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No.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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You permit taxation by living in a jurisdiction and not voting for a representative who will not tax you.
So government is voluntarily? And what does a jurisdiction have to do with anything? Aren't jurisdictions just corporate-monopolies? With the biggest corporate-monopoly being the Federal government? And isn't it the Federal government which levies the majority of the taxes?

Does the fact that a majority of people within some lines on a map support taking from one person to give to another, make it no longer theft? Crime is no longer crime as long as 51% agree with it?


The people in this thread are obsessed with performing some mental-gymnastics to prove that taxation isn't theft. But why does it matter if it is theft?

All you had to say is that having a government is better than not having a government. And governments cannot depend on voluntary support.

That would at least be a reasonable discussion.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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Libs and lefties need not respond, because we all know what your answer will be.

Do you, or do you not, believe that taxation is theft? If not, why?
I do not. Taxation is done by force.

Taxation is robbery.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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So government is voluntarily? And what does a jurisdiction have to do with anything? Aren't jurisdictions just corporate-monopolies? With the biggest corporate-monopoly being the Federal government? And isn't it the Federal government which levies the majority of the taxes?

Does the fact that a majority of people within some lines on a map support taking from one person to give to another, make it no longer theft? Crime is no longer crime as long as 51% agree with it?


The people in this thread are obsessed with performing some mental-gymnastics to prove that taxation isn't theft. But why does it matter if it is theft?

All you had to say is that having a government is better than not having a government. And governments cannot depend on voluntary support.

That would at least be a reasonable discussion.
Yes. Taxation is taxation, and theft and crime are theft and crime. What is the point of conflating the two?
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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Unless those able bodied adults are the citizens of Israel, right?
You have no understanding of the strategic importance of Israel's geographic location to the US. And have no idea what the aid the US gives is for.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You have no understanding of the strategic importance of Israel's geographic location to the US. And have no idea what the aid the US gives is for.
Abortions, free college, and blowing the heads off babies in Damascus.

What do I win?
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You permit taxation by living in a jurisdiction and not voting for a representative who will not tax you.
There's a politician who won't tax you?
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