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You have this all backwards. If you are not pregnant, all those things are fine because they only affect your own body. The reason they're not OK when pregnant is that they affect another person's body. Which is, yes, temporarily in your body, but not actually part of your body. If it was part of your body you could drink and smoke away. This isn't rocket science. It's how reproduction works, you know. Another person's body is temporarily in the mother's body. Don't they teach anything in school?
“If it was part of your body you could drink and smoke away”
What does this even mean? That if a fetus was part of a woman’s body no ill effects would occur to it from her smoking and drinking? I’m sure my lungs and liver disagree. And I’m equally sure they’re part of my body.
There is no such thing as an abortion of a healthy baby a day before it's due. That's just complete and utter BS designed to promote an anti-choice agenda.
There is no such thing as an abortion of a healthy baby a day before it's due. That's just complete and utter BS designed to promote an anti-choice agenda.
“If it was part of your body you could drink and smoke away”
What does this even mean? That if a fetus was part of a woman’s body no ill effects would occur to it from her smoking and drinking? I’m pretty sure my lungs and liver disagree. And I’m equally sure they’re part of my body.
If it was really part of her body she could choose to do what she wants to it with impunity, just as she can choose to poison her own lungs and liver. That we frown heavily on pregnant women smoking and drinking shows that we all know the fetus is not actually part of her body.
If it was really part of her body she could choose to do what she wants to it with impunity, just as she can choose to poison her own lungs and liver. That we frown heavily on pregnant women smoking and drinking shows that we all know the fetus is not actually part of her body.
No, it just means we have scientific evidence that doing so negatively impacts the developing fetus. The fetus that’s part of her body until born.
A fetus is a part of a woman's body - it is attached to her through a placenta and umbilical cord, it needs to be attached to her to live. If the placenta detaches or the cord knots tight enough, the fetus will die in the womb if not delivered immediately. The placenta is an organ specifically meant to keep mom and baby connected and provide what is needed to keep baby alive.
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If it was really part of her body she could choose to do what she wants to it with impunity, just as she can choose to poison her own lungs and liver. That we frown heavily on pregnant women smoking and drinking shows that we all know the fetus is not actually part of her body.
Some women who do not want an abortion unfortunately do choose to do what they want with their bodies and therefore their baby's with impunity, like smoking or drinking or doing drugs, which tend to negatively impact the baby. Nothing truly stops them, because no one can control the baby inside her body and what happens to it like she can. No one can actually stop her from doing something to harm her baby other than trying to physically stop her. We do frown on it as a society but we can't really force a woman to not do something harmful while pregnant. Even a woman who is doing drugs while pregnant cannot be stopped, CPS may know about it but nothing can be done until the baby is born. So I'm not sure how this helps your point. She can actually do what she wants, even though maybe she shouldn't, because it is her body and we respect people's bodily autonomy. The fact that a fetus is another human doesn't mean it isn't also part of a woman's body until birth.
As it is in most civilized countries, except the USA with its barbaric Roe ruling.
I have a question for those who claim that a fetus is a part of a woman's body. During pregnancy a woman's immune response is tamped down because that reduces the chance that her immune system will overreact to the presence of fetal cells that cross the placenta. If the fetus is part of the woman's body, why would her immune system attack fetal cells?
Moreover, why is the placenta even necessary if the fetus is part of the woman's body? How would the mother's immune system react if the fetus had a different blood type and there was no placenta?
I suggest you read this: https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Euro...ion-than-in-US
My allowable three. "Of the 36 countries in Europe that allow abortion on request, the vast majority impose time limits of around 12 weeks. Some specify 10 weeks, others 14. Sweden allows a time frame of 18 weeks while in the Netherlands the period is “viability,” like under US federal law. Of the 22 EU countries that permit abortion on request, 11 of them impose mandatory waiting periods between consulting a doctor with a request and when the procedure can take place."
A fetus is a part of a woman's body - it is attached to her through a placenta and umbilical cord, it needs to be attached to her to live. If the placenta detaches or the cord knots tight enough, the fetus will die in the womb if not delivered immediately. The placenta is an organ specifically meant to keep mom and baby connected and provide what is needed to keep baby alive.
Some women who do not want an abortion unfortunately do choose to do what they want with their bodies and therefore their baby's with impunity, like smoking or drinking or doing drugs, which tend to negatively impact the baby. Nothing truly stops them, because no one can control the baby inside her body and what happens to it like she can. No one can actually stop her from doing something to harm her baby other than trying to physically stop her. We do frown on it as a society but we can't really force a woman to not do something harmful while pregnant. Even a woman who is doing drugs while pregnant cannot be stopped, CPS may know about it but nothing can be done until the baby is born. So I'm not sure how this helps your point. She can actually do what she wants, even though maybe she shouldn't, because it is her body and we respect people's bodily autonomy.
What about the father though? If it's really his child while in utero isn't he neglectful for allowing the mother to abuse the child?
What about the father though? If it's really his child while in utero isn't he neglectful for allowing the mother to abuse the child?
I don't know whether there have been successful cases of fathers stopping their unborn baby's mother from doing something harmful. It's a tough area to get into, because the next question is whether he can force her to have an abortion or not, or force her to allow him in the delivery room even if she doesn't want him there, take some supplement or something she doesn't want to take, etc. If he can stop her from doing something just because it's harmful, what else can he force her to do or not do while pregnant, for the unborn baby's sake? It goes back to the idea that while a fetus is in a woman's body, part of her and relying entirely on her unable to survive on its own, a woman's bodily autonomy pretty much reigns supreme.
Yeah, a woman has more control over a couple's unborn baby, but that's just biology. Kind of like how a man gives nothing but sperm/hopefully a good time, and doesn't have to risk his life carrying and delivering a child, or risk his appearance or change his body, potentially forever, to carry and deliver a child. A woman I watch on youtube had a baby and for like 2 months after, couldn't feel the need to pee. She was wearing diapers. She had nerve damage, luckily she regained the feeling and is now functioning pretty normally again, but this is the stuff women risk happening to have a child, and men don't have to risk any of it. I think it kind of balances out, when you look at all a pregnant woman goes through or could go through from conception to birth.
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Which is, yes, temporarily in your body, but not actually part of your body. If it was part of your body you could drink and smoke away. This isn't rocket science. It's how reproduction works, you know. Another person's body is temporarily in the mother's body. Don't they teach anything in school?
