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Old 09-19-2019, 11:56 PM
 
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Or would people just keep supporting the private sectors?
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Old 09-20-2019, 05:09 AM
 
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Because the public is a bunch of Neanderthals incapable of a rational opinion.

A public option though would be good. I mean see above, we’ve got nothing in rocks in our heads if we think paying double what everyone else does for healthcare is a good idea.
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Old 09-20-2019, 06:02 AM
 
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I think what's idiotic is people somehow thinking costs will magically DECREASE once the govt takes over.

They won't. You'll be paying the same if not MORE for worse care and longer wait times.

Get rid of the insurance companies. They are the ones driving costs UP.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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Because the public is a bunch of Neanderthals incapable of a rational opinion.

A public option though would be good. I mean see above, we’ve got nothing in rocks in our heads if we think paying double what everyone else does for healthcare is a good idea.
At 2AM it’s lucky it got posted.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:41 AM
 
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I think what's idiotic is people somehow thinking costs will magically DECREASE once the govt takes over.
Straw man argument.

People are not necessarily expecting a decrease overall, although that would be nice, but in some areas we can control costs and gain efficiencies, making healthcare more affordable and more readily available to ordinary folks.

Healthcare insurance companies can make as much as 30% profit, and before the ACA many plans were much worse. That's just wasting money. This has always been great for investors and big money donors to Republican campaigns but it sucks for ordinary folks in need of care.

On another front, it would be very helpful if the Federal government could negotiate better drug prices, the USA is a big market when taken as a whole, with a lot of purchasing power we can leverage. Other countries do this and have benefitted with great pricing (compared to us), as can be attested by how many people (seniors often) who fill prescriptions in Canada and other countries.

Together we can manage these costs, stabilize them or slow down the increases and in some cases reduce them, but going back to what we had all my life before 2009 is not how it is done.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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the problem with public opinion are the polls bias and intentional construction of the questions and their order and then the sloppy statistical analysis. garbage in garbage out
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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Straw man argument.

People are not necessarily expecting a decrease overall, although that would be nice, but in some areas we can control costs and gain efficiencies, making healthcare more affordable and more readily available to ordinary folks.

Healthcare insurance companies can make as much as 30% profit, and before the ACA many plans were much worse. That's just wasting money. This has always been great for investors and big money donors to Republican campaigns but it sucks for ordinary folks in need of care.

On another front, it would be very helpful if the Federal government could negotiate better drug prices, the USA is a big market when taken as a whole, with a lot of purchasing power we can leverage. Other countries do this and have benefitted with great pricing (compared to us), as can be attested by how many people (seniors often) who fill prescriptions in Canada and other countries.

Together we can manage these costs, stabilize them or slow down the increases and in some cases reduce them, but going back to what we had all my life before 2009 is not how it is done.
Heard that one before. And then everyone got stuck with Obamacare and the prices went through the roof.

Not buying it.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:46 AM
 
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They are mostly sheep, the media knows this and herds them daily.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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Heard that one before. And then everyone got stuck with Obamacare and the prices went through the roof.

Not buying it.
For some it didn’t for a lot of people it helped can’t help everyone someone always loses out. Mostly it’s people like myself that lose out.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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I can't understand why people never ask the question WHY are healthcare costs going up so much? There are lots of reasons including mandating insurance companies cover things like 4 attempts at IVF. Also, they can now cure Hep C and the cost is around $100k to cure it. There was a study that just came out recently that said that something like 50% of Medicare patients had a surgery in their last week of life. Why? Why would you do surgery on someone who had little chance of surviving? The end of life measures are ridiculous. Just because you can extend someone's life by a week or two doesn't mean you should. I could go on and on but I won't. But anyone who thinks the government takeover is going to solve the problem is delusional. In fact, look at every big government program. Look at education. It's a big money pit and the outcomes are horrible.

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Surgery Near End of Life Is Common, Costly

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...Surgery like this has become all too common among those near the end of life, experts say. Nearly 1 in 3 Medicare patients undergo an operation in the year before they die, even though the evidence shows that many are more likely to be harmed than to benefit from it....
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