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Old 10-03-2019, 01:24 PM
 
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35-45.000 Americans dies each year because of healthcare costs.

Thats 140-180.000 in a 4 year period.. 280-360.000 in a 8 year period.
High health care costs are due to govt interventions in the market. Bernie and his own brand of meddling would only make things worse.
Good riddence to bad rubbish
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:25 PM
 
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Unfortunately no other candidate is for Medicare for ALL..


With only this policy.. TENS of thousands of Americans would be saved each year and save 500.000 Americans families from going bankrupt each year!!!


I hope Bernie keeps running... he will save hundreds of thousands of American lives if he wins.
Not really. It would rapidly bankrupt the fund and nobody would benefit.

If you want Medicare (for all), all they have to do is work for a lifetime, contributing to the fund the whole time and when you ready a certain age, you're eligible.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:27 PM
 
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35-45.000 Americans dies each year because of healthcare costs.

Thats 140-180.000 in a 4 year period.. 280-360.000 in a 8 year period.
And I'd be willing to bet that the same number of those who are getting healthcare who don't pay into the system.

Most middle class Americans struggle to earn enough money to support 2 - 3 kids. Every day I run into a new batch of foreigners in this country who have anywhere between 3 and 5 kids and work at the car wash, McDonalds, day laborer hanging out and Lowes or Home Depot. How are they affording all those kids (3 - 5) when the average American middle class family with an average professional career has a challenging time paying for just 2 - 3 kids?
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Unfortunately no other candidate is for Medicare for ALL..


With only this policy.. TENS of thousands of Americans would be saved each year and save 500.000 Americans families from going bankrupt each year!!!


I hope Bernie keeps running... he will save hundreds of thousands of American lives if he wins.
nope...M4A will cost 100's of thousands of lives



the smart thing would be to REVISE medicare……. have less denials of service...increase the medicare tax from 1% to 2%....reduce the age down to 60 now....analyze the costs during 10 years then reduce (if efficient ) down to 55

M4A is a pipedream that will cost 4 trillion dollars annually IN NEW SPENDING, and cost lives
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:46 PM
 
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nope...M4A will cost 100's of thousands of lives



the smart thing would be to REVISE medicare……. have less denials of service...increase the medicare tax from 1% to 2%....reduce the age down to 60 now....analyze the costs during 10 years then reduce (if efficient ) down to 55

M4A is a pipedream that will cost 4 trillion dollars annually IN NEW SPENDING, and cost lives
Yours is an odd look at things. I'm a doc and not for MFA, but how do you figure it would be causing huge numbers of additional unexpected deaths?
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yours is an odd look at things. I'm a doc and not for MFA, but how do you figure it would be causing huge numbers of additional unexpected deaths?
with all the denial of service that medicare has...with the staggering cost to the taxpayer


why not take it in steps

why go for mount Everest, when you can do the rockies first


revise medicare to be NOW for 60 (as most who want to retire don't because medicare is stuck at 65) adjust the cost factor by 1% (1% is not going to hurt many peoples take home)...revise the formulary so there are less denials of service (too include knee and spinal disc replacements....and long term care (nursinghomes))…..
then analyze what the cost and effectiveness has been over a 7-10 year period and then lower to 55

it makes more sense than to abolish "private insurance" and shoot your whole load on a pipe dream
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Old 10-03-2019, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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So this leaves:

A known liar.
A skank
An idiot or two
A hater
A whiner
And an unknown dark horse.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:17 PM
 
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with all the denial of service that medicare has...with the staggering cost to the taxpayer


why not take it in steps

why go for mount Everest, when you can do the rockies first


revise medicare to be NOW for 60 (as most who want to retire don't because medicare is stuck at 65) adjust the cost factor by 1% (1% is not going to hurt many peoples take home)...revise the formulary so there are less denials of service (too include knee and spinal disc replacements....and long term care (nursinghomes))…..
then analyze what the cost and effectiveness has been over a 7-10 year period and then lower to 55

it makes more sense than to abolish "private insurance" and shoot your whole load on a pipe dream
Medicare doesn't routinely deny serious medical care unless it is fringe or quacko stuff.

I agree with you. Lower age to 50-55 and go with incrementalism, not full on MFA.
Or a public option.
But leave the private side as intact as possible.
Americans want choices. As do American docs.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:38 PM
 
Location: in a galaxy far far away
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I don't support Bernie Sanders as a candidate but I wish him a speedy recovery. He might want to reconsider his run for the presidency. Even if he had a chance of winning, the job is incredibly stressful. That's not good on anyone's health, let alone a 78-year-old man with heart problems. Just look at what it did to the hair color of all previous presidents. It turns them gray before they leave office.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:45 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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How is that American health care system that you are always slandering Bernie? Oh that's right you have that Federal Cadillac plan. that everyone else wishes we could have but could not afford it. But still, it seems to me that our health care system did ok. I think elected reps should have to use the VA hospital and follow the same requirements imposed upon our vets.
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