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In recent threads, I have seen this peddled by several right leaning posters, especially when it comes to schools. Why is it that you guys think that if left to "think for themselves", that you think everyone would be a conservative? You don't think that anyone would genuinely lean more liberal just on their own?
Because I used to be a passionate liberal, and became the opposite when I became aware that liberalism required one of two things for someone to believe in it:
1. Ignorance of a measure of historical and political facts that liberal orthodoxy omits in order to keep its invented narratives afloat. Realization of these facts will cause a large portion of liberals to become conservative.
2. A minority ethnic-interest in hurting an ethnic majority, while playing the political power and resource competition game.
Note how Jews are liberal outside of Israel as a group, when they are a minority, and conservative as a group inside of Israel where they are a majority: perfectly illustrating my assertion / implication that non-brainwashed minority groups will tend to be liberal as a hostile effort against a majority but to adopt conservatism as the political stance that is in their best interest when they are a majority.
If you are a member of an ethnic majority and are a liberal, then you are either: ignorant of certain facts, self-hating, or brainwashed (which is really just a means of describing a state of being either ignorant or self-hating).
If you are an ethnic minority and a liberal than I would argue that your lot is an unnatural result of trying to internationalize the Nation concept and the eventual end result will not be good for anyone. Being a liberal, which is intrinsically hostile to majority national interests anywhere in the World, will hasten that bad result.
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Because I used to be a passionate liberal, and became the opposite when I became aware that liberalism required one of two things for someone to believe in it:
1. Ignorance of a measure of historical and political facts that liberal orthodoxy omits in order to keep its invented narratives afloat. Realization of these facts will cause a large portion of liberals to become conservative.
2. A minority ethnic-interest in hurting an ethnic majority, while playing the political power and resource competition game.
Note how Jews are liberal outside of Israel as a group, when they are a minority, and conservative as a group inside of Israel where they are a majority: perfectly illustrating my assertion / implication that non-brainwashed minority groups will tend to be liberal as a hostile effort against a majority but to adopt conservatism as the political stance that is in their best interest when they are a majority.
If you are a member of an ethnic majority and are a liberal, then you are either: ignorant of certain facts, self-hating, or brainwashed (which is really just a means of describing a state of being either ignorant or self-hating).
If you are an ethnic minority and a liberal than I would argue that your lot is an unnatural result of trying to internationalize the Nation concept and the eventual end result will not be good for anyone. Being a liberal, which is intrinsically hostile to majority national interests anywhere in the World, will hasten that bad result.
Not really, I'm white, which makes me an ethnic majority or plurality what have you in this country, and I became liberal on my own. I see conservatism and greedy, selfish and callous
In recent threads, I have seen this peddled by several right leaning posters, especially when it comes to schools. Why is it that you guys think that if left to "think for themselves", that you think everyone would be a conservative? You don't think that anyone would genuinely lean more liberal just on their own?
Anyone that would think these are two great men, who have the welfare of the nation in mind have been completely Indoctrinated by our Leftist educational system. Many Independents and people on the Right know they are Evil men, to be avoided at all cost. People like them are why millions of us have left the Democrat party, not for the Republican party, but for anyone but a Farrakhan/Obama Democrat.
Because I used to be a passionate liberal, and became the opposite when I became aware that liberalism required one of two things for someone to believe in it:
1. Ignorance of a measure of historical and political facts that liberal orthodoxy omits in order to keep its invented narratives afloat. Realization of these facts will cause a large portion of liberals to become conservative.
2. A minority ethnic-interest in hurting an ethnic majority, while playing the political power and resource competition game.
Note how Jews are liberal outside of Israel as a group, when they are a minority, and conservative as a group inside of Israel where they are a majority: perfectly illustrating my assertion / implication that non-brainwashed minority groups will tend to be liberal as a hostile effort against a majority but to adopt conservatism as the political stance that is in their best interest when they are a majority.
If you are a member of an ethnic majority and are a liberal, then you are either: ignorant of certain facts, self-hating, or brainwashed (which is really just a means of describing a state of being either ignorant or self-hating).
If you are an ethnic minority and a liberal than I would argue that your lot is an unnatural result of trying to internationalize the Nation concept and the eventual end result will not be good for anyone. Being a liberal, which is intrinsically hostile to majority national interests anywhere in the World, will hasten that bad result.
I disagree with you, and I'm going to explain why.
I went from liberal to conservative, to socialist, to liberal, to independent. This is why I believed in liberalism, to an extent, and it had nothing to do with ignorance of historical and political facts.
1) Understanding that as a Black man, the odyssey my ancestors had, and I have to deal with, is that I belong to a group of people who are among the most looked down on in America. The way we got here, we had no say so in the matter. Slavery, followed by Jim Crow and other human rights abuses. It was conservatives who were against civil rights for Blacks. It was the conservative John Birch Society who viewed the Civil Rights movement as a Communist plot. I struggle to be conservative because I understand that historically, Blacks were never wanted here for anything other than slave labor. For that reason, I have to protect myself. It has nothing to do with hostility towards the majority. It has to do with having been brutalized and victimized for hundreds of years in America. And I'm talking about America only, so don't bring any other country up. When the interests of the majority actively and purposely hostile towards the minority, expect the minority to look out for its own interest. My lot is not a result of trying to "internationalize" anything. Black Americans are here for lack of a better idea.
2) I notice many things around me that aren't right. Things that have concerned me include the fact that many cities are not walkable, public transportation is often rotten in many cities (the city I just moved to has a rotten public transportation system, and some parts of the city don't have sidewalks). I start to understand that locking people up for smoking pot is stupid.
I'm independent because I find I don't fit into any particular category. I'm religious so there are some things (like abortion) that I don't support. I like guns and I have a libertarian stance on guns.
In short, I think the way I do because I understand that I should have the same right as anyone else. History has shown that conservatism has historically been against me.
Necessary theft would still be theft, but otherwise agreed.
"Necessary" is very limited.
Namely, national defense, immigration and border enforcement and probably some types of infrastructure projects that would be financially or logistically impossible for individual states to accomplish on their own.
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Anyone that would think these are two great men, who have the welfare of the nation in mind have been completely Indoctrinated by our Leftist educational system. Many Independents and people on the Right know they are Evil men, to be avoided at all cost. People like them are why millions of us have left the Democrat party, not for the Republican party, but for anyone but a Farrakhan/Obama Democrat.
Why don't schools teach facts, critical thinking, and then guide discussion instead of presenting one viewpoint and testing on that?
There's a difference. And the schools are presenting one viewpoint. That's why.
So “teaching facts” is just one viewpoint? When was the last time you sat in a classroom? Or are you just parroting what you want to hear?
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