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Old 10-10-2019, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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Look, here comes 82 year old Colin Powell saying “Trumps foreign policy is in shambles.” I would wear that as a badge of honor, another attack by someone who helped to destabilize the region, lost us thousands of lives, trillions of dollars wasted only to make things worse than they were. Secretary Powell sold the Iraq war to us, they had weapons of mass destruction he said, and used that as a basis to invade and topple the evil regime. Now he admitted in 2015 the invasion was badly flawed. But, he pops up again today to give his advice, as if anyone asked for it. Powell, join the long list of fools who we should never take advice from again concerning that area of the world. We are still paying a price for his mistakes.

On Nikki Haley, I thought she would be a good choice for republicans in 2024, boy was I wrong. I don’t want that warmonger anywhere near the White House.
Colin Powell would know better then Trump would even at 82.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Does anyone even know that the Kurdish community is as close to the West as you can get right now? They are also the most religiously diverse community in the middle east.


The worst: ISIS prisoners could be freed soon.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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This is exactly what I meant earlier when I wrote that Trump is ceding America's influence on the world stage to Russia and China.

Abandon our allies? CHECK!
Now countries and cultural groups will think twice before forming military or economic alliances with the US. Especially when Russia and China are pledging to not abandon them. And what's the result of this: https://thehill.com/opinion/internat...-weak-response

For those few Trump-lovers out there who do not simply form their opinions based on bumper sticker mentality and drive-time radio hosts whose only qualifications for the job are the ability to think simple thoughts and regurgitate Republican Talking Points ad Nauseam, the important point is this: “The predatory practices pursued by China and Russia stunt economic growth in Africa; threaten the financial independence of African nations; inhibit opportunities for U.S. investment; interfere with U.S. military operations and pose a significant threat to U.S. national security interests.”
This is lunacy, we’ve wasted $6 trillion in the Middle East and thousands of lives with nothing to show for it. If Russia and China want anything to do with that region, after seeing what it’s done to us, be our guest. It will be their loss and their mistake and good for us. Let them waste resources on fruitless causes while we can focus on strengthening our own country.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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The job is never done in you and the war-hawks minds there’s always a bad guy to fight, a group to sell weapons to, and a dictator to topple in the Middle East. We pay to destroy ISIS and they can’t even hold prisoners. It’s beyond time we learned our lesson after 19 years of failed policies In the region, we need to let the people that actually live there decide their fate, fight for their land, and shape their future. A western plan will never work, forced democracy will never work.
This isn't about topping dictators ... or forcing democracy on anyone. The Kurds probably would have ended up in an alliance with Assad. Whatever you think of Assad he tended to slaughter his own people not so much foreigners.

I'm neutral on geopolitical interests - the impact of Iran on Israel. Not because there are not valid concerns but because I don't know bloody enough to have an informed opinion.

ISIS, though, ISIS I get. As for the bold, the reason the ISIS camps are in peril is not only because militants in that area remained active ... not only because Syrian Defense Forces now need head to the border ... but because:

"The United States military, which had been working with the Syrian Democratic Forces to fight remnants of the Islamic State in Syria, has cut off all support to the militia, two American military officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential military assessments."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/w...d=817469561010

In other words now that Turkey - that great NATO ally - invaded the United States to "stay neutral" must stop all its efforts against ISIS.

Those camps are now so insecure that the Pentagon caught by surprise is attempting to remove some key militants itself. Starting yesterday.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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Colin Powell would know better then Trump would even at 82.
Colin Powell is partly to blame for this entire mess. Had we never gone into Iraq (on the false basis of weapons of mass destruction) and overthrow Hussein, the region wouldn’t of spiraled out of control and into chaos.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:25 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Russia was fighting ISIS too. (Along with other groups) That was in US interest.
The Kurds were fighting side by side with American service men and women. Why don't you ask these soldiers who fought with the Kurds what they think of them? And I'll guarantee you that they have a higher opinion of the Kurds than you apparently do.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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This isn't about topping dictators ... or forcing democracy on anyone. The Kurds probably would have ended up in an alliance with Assad. Whatever you think of Assad he tended to slaughter his own people not so much foreigners.

I'm neutral on geopolitical interests - the impact of Iran on Israel. Not because there are not valid concerns but because I don't know bloody enough to have an informed opinion.

ISIS, though, ISIS I get. As for the bold, the reason the ISIS camps are in peril is not only because militants in that area remained active ... not only because Syrian Defense Forces now need head to the border ... but because:

"The United States military, which had been working with the Syrian Democratic Forces to fight remnants of the Islamic State in Syria, has cut off all support to the militia, two American military officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential military assessments."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/w...d=817469561010

In other words now that Turkey - that great NATO ally - invaded the United States to "stay neutral" must stop all its efforts against ISIS.

Those camps are now so insecure that the Pentagon caught by surprise is attempting to remove some key militants itself. Starting yesterday.
Why should we care if the Kurds ally with Assad or not, it has no effect on our national interests. We cannot continue to intervene and put our finger on the scale of something we have no business being involved in. It never works in our favor and always has unforeseen catastrophic consequences for us and the region. Guaranteed if we topple Assad the power vacuum gets filled with something much much worse. A solution has to come from people who live in the region, not the United States from 7,000 miles away.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:35 AM
 
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Wow. Netanyahu, one of Trump's closest foreign allies, has condemned Donald Trump decision to abandon Kurdish forces in Syria.


https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/...08814936301568
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:35 AM
 
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The Kurds were fighting side by side with American service men and women. Why don't you ask these soldiers who fought with the Kurds what they think of them? And I'll guarantee you that they have a higher opinion of the Kurds than you apparently do.
I don't dislike the Kurds, I just realize that Turkey is a far more important strategic ally in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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Why should we care if the Kurds ally with Assad or not, it has no effect on our national interests. We cannot continue to intervene and put our finger on the scale of something we have no business being involved in. It never works in our favor and always has unforeseen catastrophic consequences for us and the region. Guaranteed if we topple Assad the power vacuum gets filled with something much much worse. A solution has to come from people who live in the region, not the United States from 7,000 miles away.
You're aware that the Kurds helped U.S. forces tremendously in our fight against ISIS over the last several years....right?

So we appreciate their help when we needed it, and instead of returning the favor, now that they need our help, we just abandon them? Leaving them to be slaughtered? Over 20 kurdish soldiers have already been killed in the last 12 hours since U.S. Forces have left the Syrian border region.
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