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Old 10-20-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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Some misuse is OK then ... Lots of isolated security violations ... but it's not "widespread" which is a completely subjective term. LOL. OK



And don't forget they have a "D" behind their name....
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Old 10-20-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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Madam would have been the mother of all Russian assets if she’d made it to the White House and it was the Russians who’d discovered her private email server first rather than en unemployed Romanian cab driver with minimal computer hacking skills.

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The Romanian hacker "Guccifer," who exposed Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, was sentenced to 52 months by a US federal judge in Virginia. The near-maximum sentence under US law is meant as a deterrent to future hackers, the judge said.
Marcel Lazar Lehel, 44, a former taxi driver and paint salesman, was arrested in Romania and charged with hacking. He was extradited to the US in 2014.
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Lehel had no particular computer expertise, but instead used patience and persistence to obtain private information. Lehel had "no fancy equipment, only a clunky NEC desktop and a Samsung cellphone, and no special skills beyond what he had picked up on the web." He used the simple technique of finding information about his victims online and then using this to guess the correct answers to security questions. At the time of his arrest in 2014, Lehel was an unemployed taxi driver.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:01 AM
 
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She's gonna be jailed. Trump said so. He's gonna "Lock Her Up". He's also gonna get Mexico to pay for the wall, and enact great health care and bring back coal mining jobs. Wonder when he'll be doing all this stuff. Do you think she'll get locked up before or after Mexico pays for the wall?



The worst punishment for Hillary is not being the President.

If someone offered her the Presidency, but told her she'd have to spend some time in jail afterward, she'd take the offer .
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Once again Hanlon's razor applies. There were screw-ups, but it was the result of stupidity rather than a conspiracy. Politicians shouldn't be trusted to store and manage government secrets. Leave it to the professionals.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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" Let me repeat that: we don't know who those 38 people are, nor do we know the consequence."


Be like he dems and DEMAND publishing the names. "what are they hiding?"THEY want "transparency" from the Trump admin. The SAME should be applied to the obama admin.

Sure, I actually agree. And if I were a betting man, I'd bet one of the 38 is a former Secretary of State. But that wasn't what the original post was about. It was about 'nearly 600 security violations!' (gasp!)-deliberately misrepresenting the number to whom blame can be tied, and more importantly, leaving out the fact that this inquiry reported that there was no evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.



In other words, these were human mistakes. Have you not ever made a mistake?




It's not a conspiracy. But that's certainly what some appear to want.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:47 AM
 
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It's not illegal to use private communications for government business as long as those communications are archived. What is illegal is using them for classified material. Private services are required by politicians, they can't use government accounts for political communications.
Her premise has been since day one, since was was communicating with a state department employee, the communication was available for the archives on the other's device.

I also am aware that for years anyone having a political conversation left the WH and went to an address close by. There was a special place set up for just that event.

If using government equipment for political communications is forbidden why not just use their own phones? Why did they all need their own computers on a private server?
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Old 10-20-2019, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Two of my family members have TS/SCI clearances and would have been jailed had they committed any one of the things she did. They and their coworkers were livid at the Comey press conference fiasco.

more evidence that laws are for poor people. If you have money you can pretty much get out of any legal issues.
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Old 10-20-2019, 04:59 PM
 
Location: 89434
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Cleared again.

After 30 years of investigating Hillary without finding enough evidence of anything to charge her, you'd think the right wingers would have something better to do with their time.
Meanwhile, the dems spent almost three years investigating Trump for colluding with Russia and found nothing. Maybe the dems should find something better to do instead of coming up with crazy conspiracy theories like Trump/Russia collusion.
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Old 10-21-2019, 03:50 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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I added bold to draw your attention to a few very critical words from your post, from the actual document appointing the Special Counsel, and reports (in fairly neutral language) on the results.



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Meanwhile, the dems spent almost three years investigating Trump for colluding with Russia and found nothing. Maybe the dems should find something better to do instead of coming up with crazy conspiracy theories like Trump/Russia collusion.



https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-re...67231/download


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to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election
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The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
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any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
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any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
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any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)
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If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

The results?


https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-mueller-report






https://time.com/5556331/mueller-inv...-guilty-pleas/


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the former FBI director has indicted, convicted or gotten guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies, including top advisers to President Trump, Russian spies and hackers with ties to the Kremlin. The charges, which Mueller referenced during his opening statements to the House Judiciary Committee on July 24, range from interfering with the 2016 election and hacking emails to lying to investigators and tampering with witnesses
But, he subscribed to a specific policy/theory about sitting Presidents. I happen to believe in this policy, also. The impeachment process or 25th Amendment is how to remedy a President who has committed a crime or lost capacity. Criminal charges can wait until after a President's term is over:

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At least one person was unlikely to face charges from Mueller from the start: Trump himself. Two memos from the Office of Legal Counsel in the Department of Justice, written during the Nixon and Clinton impeachments, take the view that a sitting president is immune from prosecution.
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/05/wh...on-of-justice/

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[A]s set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel’s office is part of the department of justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider. …
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[A]s set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime
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Old 10-21-2019, 03:59 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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IT doesn't matter how we characterize it...here;s the deal

A State Department investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email account found no widespread effort by her aides or other staffers to mishandle classified information.

That's the end of the story
Here's the deal: Hillary is a lying criminal and should be behind bars.
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