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Old 10-28-2019, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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" Every impeachment process is different", it is NOT, and this is where it shows you ONLY get your "news" from liberal sources.


The process for both Nixon and Clinton was the SAME.
They had a special counsel or a select committee investigation before they voted,, sounds like a good idea lets do that before they vote this time so we can stick with the process.


Here you are on a thread where Taylor told you exactly what happened and the best you can do is criticize the process. It doesn't matter there either will or will not be a vote next month and you can move onto the next diversion and avoid the obvious facts.
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Old 10-28-2019, 06:00 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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"All true regarding subpoena power but this was the system set up by Boehner back in 2015 for Benghazi"

Bengazi was NOT about impeachment. Entirely different rules.

The left slams Trump for not "following precedent", and now THEY will NOT follow the president set in the 2 previous impeachment cases.

If you want the things you listed, do FORMAL impeachment process. Until then, you want to make things up as you go, then others will NOT play your game.
This. Isn't. An. Impeachment. Yet.

Have they voted on Articles of Impeachment? No? Then it's not yet an impeachment.

This is an investigation to see if there is enough evidence for an impeachment.

How many times do Trump supporters need to have this explained?
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Old 10-28-2019, 06:05 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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This. Isn't. An. Impeachment. Yet.

Have they voted on Articles of Impeachment? No? Then it's not yet and impeachment.

This is an investigation to see if there is enough evidence for an impeachment.

How many times do Trump supporters need to have this explained?
Don't bother explaining it. If you tell them that, they will pull out the, "Why haven't they voted to impeach yet?" The answer is, "Because they need to investigate first." The district attorney doesn't send a case to trial without the cops conducting an investigation beforehand. But Trump supporters want a vote without an investigation so their guy will get off. If he hasn't done anything wrong, no amount of investigation will uncover wrongdoing. So the Trump supporters have nothing to worry about, even if the investigation continues until Trump's second term is over. Because they are 100% positive he will be reelected too
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:19 AM
 
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Colonel Alexander Vindman is a decorated US Army veteran. He served multiple tours in Iraq and was awarded a Purple Heart.

He is set to testify before Congress in less than an hour, and is expected to say that he raised "multiple concerns" about Ukraine and that Trump requesting they investigate Biden's son was "highly inappropriate."

The question is, will Donald Trump and his City-Data supporters accuse a decorated American war hero and Purple Heart recipient of being a liar and "fake news?"?


https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...49997167730689
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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We have an anti corruption treaty with Ukraine.

The end.
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:40 AM
 
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We have an anti corruption treaty with Ukraine.

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You wish.

Unfortunately, Trump's request for a "favor" was inappropriate. If Trump withheld aid unless he got that favor, which is what several people have testified, then it was more than inappropriate.
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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We have an anti corruption treaty with Ukraine.

The end.
Yes we do. And it contains procedures for how such anti-corruption requests are to be made.

None of those procedures include having the President's personal lawyer - a non-governmental employee - gallivanting around Ukraine trying to put pressure on its President to launch investigations of American citizens without any evidence of wrongdoing. Those procedures, oddly enough, also do not include the President calling the Ukrainian President and asking him to "do us a favor" by investigating his political foes, much less leveraging diplomatic benefits and strategic aid in exchange for that "favor".
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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Yes we do. And it contains procedures for how such anti-corruption requests are to be made.

None of those procedures include having the President's personal lawyer - a non-governmental employee - gallivanting around Ukraine trying to put pressure on its President to launch investigations of American citizens without any evidence of wrongdoing. Those procedures, oddly enough, also do not include the President calling the Ukrainian President and asking him to "do us a favor" by investigating his political foes, much less leveraging diplomatic benefits and strategic aid in exchange for that "favor".
Not that Gulliani has anything to do with this faux impeachment, every modern administration has had civilian sleuths so why is it now a problem?
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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Not that Gulliani has anything to do with this faux impeachment, every modern administration has had civilian sleuths so why is it now a problem?
No. Not every modern administration had their personal attorneys running a shadow foreign policy built around using the threat of governmental reprisal to strongarm a foreign nation into ginning up an investigation of a US citizen for the President's personal political gain.

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Old 10-29-2019, 08:03 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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We have an anti corruption treaty with Ukraine.

The end.
Yes, and that treaty requires them to help us investigate corruption.

What ongoing corruption investigation was Trump asking for help with?


Here's President Clinton's summary of the treaty, which part applies to Trump's phone call?


...Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records, and articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint, confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the requested state...

https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/td...-106tdoc16.pdf
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