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Old 10-25-2019, 10:08 PM
 
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How far removed from reality are these people?

According to this person, Bernie's plan will save us all money and ultimately provide a huge tax cut for all Americans.

Person asked me where the Government gets revenue from, I said "taxpayers" and they told me I was wrong.

Can we just send all of these people over to Europe?

Girl told me I don't understand basic math...

Soooo, I had to unload these pesky statistics....45% of Americans pay no income tax, and nearly half of babies born are Medicaid.
You debated a socialist? You have a lot of time on your hands.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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There are 10 Medicare for All bills that have been introduced in Congress. The Kaiser Foundation compared and contrasted them all and did so without bias:

http://files.kff.org/attachment/Tabl...116th-Congress
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:14 PM
 
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No, it pays your portion of the group insurance (Total/# number of people covered under the plan). That's why in a self funded plan small company,when a few people (or even one person at times) get a really expensive cancer treatment, or a transplant, or an expensive hospital stay, everybody's premium jumps severely next year.
Just before ACA it happened to us. My wife with serious medical issues would have doubled everyone's premiums. I think we had about 40 employees at the time. So we stayed with our own policy.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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You debated a socialist? You have a lot of time on your hands.
All insurance, not just healthcare, mutualizes ( SOCIALIZES ) risks.

( While I am an advocate for Universal Healthcare, not so much for any Single Payer scheme)

No two countries with Universal Healthcare execute it the same way. A few rely entirely on public insurance. A few rely entirely on private insurance. Most are a mixed bag. Oftentimes what appears to an outsider to be a national healthcare scheme is, in reality, regional models.

Current traditional Medicare is not free despite most current enrollees or their spouses and their employers have paid Medicare taxes for 40-50 years. Medicare does not pay for everything. There are copays and coinsurance. Those who can afford it buy private Medigap insurance to help pay for that which Medicare does not.

About 40% of seniors are enrolled in Advantage Programs whereby Medicare contracts with mostly private insurance companies to insure and provide healthcare. These programs tend to offer more and cost less than traditional Medicare because networks are narrow and enrollees tend to be younger and healthier than those enrolled in traditional Medicare.

Medicare Part A- hospitalization is primarily funded through employer and employee taxes. Part B- medical and D- prescription meds is funded primarily out of general revenues, income taxes and debt.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:31 PM
 
Location: AZ
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The biggest difference? The money taken from payroll for insurance pays YOUR insurance. The money taken from you in taxes for M4A-has to pay for everybody's insurance-including those that didn't contribute one red cent. Now, just how does that allow costs to go down for the people that actually are paying the bills?
Good lord.

It’s called economies of scale.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It doesn't, and it won't.

These people just can't grasp it.

I'm sorry, not sorry, that I don't want to pay health care costs for the diabetic who is a couch potato and still eats terribly, whereas when my doc told me I was pre-diabetic, I worked out for a couple years to reverse it.
Assuming you have public or private healthcare insurance or reported income , you are currently paying for the Diabetic couch potato. According to the American Diabetes Association, 1/3 of the US population is Diabetic or pre- Diabetic. It’s an epidemic and a re-election of our collective lifestyles. It costs an average of nearly $10,000 a year to treat the average Diabetic and ensuing complications.

Japan made the decision to take control of the epidemic and costs. Everyone must submit to an annual waist measure. Those with measures greater than the generous healthy range, are referred to counseling. All employers are responsible for measuring their employees’ waists. Each employer is given an annual goal to reduce the average waist size by X or else. The or else is an increased employer contribution to the national sickness fund.

And thus far it’s working. The masses are losing inches and new Diabetes diagnosis is slowly declining.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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How much is your employer paying for you? That's the part most people don't even realize with private insurance, their costs are usually a small portion of what's being paid. You're paying for healthcare plus a profit for shareholders on top of that. Delete the for profit companies from he equation and the taxes would be less than what's being paid now, and if you lose your income source temporarily, you won't lose access to healthcare.
COBRA allows a former employee to temporarily remain in their employer’s plan, provided the ex employee pays for both the employers share ( 70-80% of the premium) as well as the employee share.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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You can't fix stupid.. these socialists were sold a bill of goods.. today the people of Hong Kong are fighting against Communism.. they got a nice taste of democracy when they were under British rule. They see the difference and want democracy and freedom. Too bad the people here under a democracy of WE THE PEOPLE have no idea what Communism does to its people.


This is why they hate Trump..WE THE PEOPLE are first , not the lobbyists, not the special interests, not the corrupt Washington insiders.. we have an outsider not beholden to the Deep State . And MSM is complicit in all of the corruption.
Lobbying is alive and well in DC. They just prefer to wine and dine at the Trump DC hotel, now.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:54 PM
 
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COBRA allows a former employee to temporarily remain in their employer’s plan, provided the ex employee pays for both the employers share ( 70-80% of the premium) as well as the employee share.
There is also "admin." cost so it is actually more expensive than the original total.
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Old 10-25-2019, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Get rid of all those illegals coming over the border sucking our hospitals dry and you will see costs come down..
No wall necessary to accomplish that. All that is necessary is to hold employers ( mostly small businesses and individual households) responsible for employing undocumented people. Seize assets.

Q: Why is it that only a handful of states made e-Verify of all employees the law? Why have these laws been written with intentional loopholes? Why don’t these states fund employer audits?

A: State legislators know who butters their bread.

No wall is high enough. No patrol is deep enough so long as US people continue to hire undocumented people.

Illegals don’t take US jobs. Employers recruit and hire undocumented because they will works for less.
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