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Old 10-30-2019, 10:29 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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Originally Posted by ColoradoOnMyMind View Post
Capitalism is the only way
This is the most dangerous aspect of capitalism. The fact it demolishes people's ability to envision anything better for themselves and others.
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Old 10-30-2019, 10:35 AM
 
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What will happen if most adults "CHOOSE" not to have children?

The economy isn't built around personal choice, the government and the private industry will never allow the personal choice of average people to destroy the economy.

Just like our democracy will never allow for anyone to abolish the federal reserve even if 70% of people think they want it.

You can't look at this situation in your own anecdotal experience. If people stop having children the average age of the population will skyrocket, welfare costs will go up, and the government will be handicapped in promoting its own power abroad.

It won't be allowed because it can't be allowed. It has nothing to do with freedom, but economic growth.

What would happen if everyone wanted to be Yeoman farmers? We have 'freedom' only in being given the choice to do the right thing, otherwise pressure must be applied. Trillions of dollars are at stake.
Who cares? It’s their freedom to choose as long as they aren’t harming others.

You instead want to put a gun on their head and make them your slaves.
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Old 10-30-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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So I was correct after all.
You are correct but people don’t agree with you just because you are right technically.

They agree with you when you are morally right or they can’t argue against you.

Socialism and communism are morally reprehensible. And capitalism is freedom and the only moral way.
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Old 10-30-2019, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Who cares? It’s their freedom to choose as long as they aren’t harming others.

You instead want to put a gun on their head and make them your slaves.
Financial interest care, the people who own the capital care, and the government cares.

So if we're going to assume the childhood is a factor of this country's demographics then we have to face why Obesity rates are high.

They did not choose this life but like explained in my earlier post, capital investors and government regulators have made the outcome inevitable.

Saying don't have kids is a personal solution, not a societal one.
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Old 10-30-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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So sayeth the millennials. Its a poll so there is that, but it validates what Im seeing and hearing.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fo...=mw_latestnews
if only young people really understood what capitalism is and not what their lefty teachers told them. It also isnt Trump.
Part of me wishes for one the human hating D candidates to win the upcoming election in order to give people a real painful dose of state run utopia.
But then again if the obvious and documented death toll of the abhorrent ideology doesn't turn them off, nothing will

You and people like you have spent decades trying to decry policies like single-payer healthcare as "socialism", thinking you were denigrating the policies. You weren't. You were upselling socialism.

The good news is, under single-payer healthcare, even self-inflicted wounds are covered.
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:06 AM
 
Location: London
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You live in a house;

You don't have enough money to pay interest/taxes/electricity/etc.;

You need a car to get to work because all the jobs were moved outside of the residential ward and concentrated in the business district by big money capital investors.

You work a salary job to pay off your COL (cost of living), commuting to work through traffic.

You have kids.

Kids need to be fed, you don't have the time or money to afford/make healthy meals because both parents work and organic food is supercharged by high demand rates from upper income households.

The traditional farm to table local supply chains are replaced by big money farms while the smaller ones are far away from you and don't find it profitable to sell in your area.

You go to the cheapest option that is also the fastest. Kids watch shows that are filled with advertisements for candy/processed sugary foods.

Result; you have increased childhood obesity; result, that problem stays with them as they grow older.

Now you have wide swaths of the population that are miserable and have to work under those conditions. The kids didn't choose this life, but they hate the heart pains, suffering that come with being overweight.

Going to an expensive gym in there twenties/thirties doesn't fix their childhood, and it just increases the high stressed movement of their life.


How is that freedom? How did anyone choose that on a fair playing field?

Capeesh?

Holy bad decisions, batman. Don't buy a house or have kids or a car if money is that much of an issue. Rent a cheap studio or room in the city, buy staples like rice and beans (which is sold everywhere) and cook up a whole week's worth at a time. Get whatever frozen veggies you can as well.

And even once you're ready to have kids, simply don't buy or feed them junk. If they keep pestering you for it because of TV commercials, then sell the TV. Nobody needs it.

Sounds like your hypothetical person made life far more stressful for himself than it needed to be.
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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I see a LOT of BAD financial and life decisions assumed by the "you" in that post. Therein lies the problem.
Why aren't you a billionaire? Stupidity? Laziness? too many bad life decisions? Tell us what failures lead to you sitting near the bottom of the economic ladder.
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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You and people like you have spent decades trying to decry policies like single-payer healthcare as "socialism", thinking you were denigrating the policies. You weren't. You were upselling socialism.

The good news is, under single-payer healthcare, even self-inflicted wounds are covered.
Not sure of your point?
Is it:
Single payer isn't socialism
Socialism is good
Socialism in the form of single payer is better than the socialized form of medical service payment in presently in existence
Or I'm wrong, you're right nah nah na nah nah
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Holy bad decisions, batman. Don't buy a house or have kids or a car if money is that much of an issue. Rent a cheap studio or room in the city, buy staples like rice and beans (which is sold everywhere) and cook up a whole week's worth at a time. Get whatever frozen veggies you can as well.

And even once you're ready to have kids, simply don't buy or feed them junk. If they keep pestering you for it because of TV commercials, then sell the TV. Nobody needs it.

Sounds like your hypothetical person made life far more stressful for himself than it needed to be.
The person has money, but also has high costs because of the society we live in. How we organize communities, how private industries finance middle class lifestyles, and how are tax/credit system works.

Its how the majority of Americans live and it has nothing to do with 'choice'. Unless you want the majority of the population to remain childless and watch as our economy crashes you offer no solutions to the cause of extreme obesity that has become inevitable.
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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Was that a scare tactic by Limbaugh or Hannity?
Uhm...not sure if I would lump Ice-T and Jello Biafra in with Hannity and Limbaugh, but whatever man.

And the lyrics were written during the presidency of GHWB in 1989...so uhm, kinda predates Hannity, Limbaugh, Trump, etc.

Just an artist's view of what you get when you turn your life over to government.
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