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Old 11-10-2019, 07:35 PM
 
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Very good article in the NY Times that details what Biden was doing in Ukraine while he was VP.

Ukraine was a mess, and might still be. At any rate, Biden was there in service of US policy to strengthen Ukraine against Russian adventurism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/u...n-ukraine.html
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:37 PM
 
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Absolutely he was there because Burisma bought him off to squash an investigation into their company they were worried about and he managed to get the prosecutor fired and the investigation dropped by the even more corrupt prosecutor they hired afterwards. Good news though, his crackhead son made millions because his father is for sale!
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:37 PM
 
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Ukraine is like a political prostitute.
it really does matter exactly what
was going on, but it Really Does
Matter that something was.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Very good article in the NY Times that details what Biden was doing in Ukraine while he was VP.

Ukraine was a mess, and might still be. At any rate, Biden was there in service of US policy to strengthen Ukraine against Russian adventurism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/u...n-ukraine.html
Biden enriched is meth addicted son and abused his trust with a quid pro quo deal to stop investigating his son in exchange for billion of USD...we should not be giving a penny to the corrupt Ukrainians (they're almost as bad as Demonicrats).
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:18 PM
 
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Biden enriched is meth addicted son and abused his trust with a quid pro quo deal to stop investigating his son in exchange for billion of USD...we should not be giving a penny to the corrupt Ukrainians (they're almost as bad as Demonicrats).

Correction ( in order to prevent the further confusion);
Biden "abused his trust with a quid pro quo deal to stop investigating the corrupt company that hired his son to give it more legitimacy in the eyes of the Western banking system."
That's a better way to put it.

The fact that the fired Prosecutor General was loyal to Ukrainian president and thus was inconvenient for the IMF/American embassy, was playing nicely in Biden's hands, since no one would particularly question him for this move, that was most likely was agreed upon beforehand for this very reason.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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There's a really interesting article in Radio Free Europe "Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecuter Fired? The Issue at The Heart of The Dispute Gripping Washington."
When was Shokin fired? March of 2016. "Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption activists with knowledge of the matter argue that the timeline of developments in the Burisma case and Shokin's stint as chief prosecutor simply does not fit the narrative being put forward by Trump and his allies." Fact. "Moreover, they say that Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the investigation."
There are multiple sources to read about this and confirm that other's including the International Monetary fund, The European Union, The U.S. government with Republican controlled house and senate at the time, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform also wanted Shokin gone. Why? because he wouldn't investigate corruption, including Burisma.

So do we blindly believe dear leaders narrative, or do we research multiple sources?
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:41 AM
 
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There's a really interesting article in Radio Free Europe "Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecuter Fired? The Issue at The Heart of The Dispute Gripping Washington."
When was Shokin fired? March of 2016. "Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption activists with knowledge of the matter argue that the timeline of developments in the Burisma case and Shokin's stint as chief prosecutor simply does not fit the narrative being put forward by Trump and his allies." Fact. "Moreover, they say that Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the investigation."
There are multiple sources to read about this and confirm that other's including the International Monetary fund, The European Union, The U.S. government with Republican controlled house and senate at the time, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform also wanted Shokin gone. Why? because he wouldn't investigate corruption, including Burisma.

So do we blindly believe dear leaders narrative, or do we research multiple sources?

"Multiple sources" of course would be better, just don't forget to include in these "multiple sources" the ones that are inconvenient to the Democratic party/IMF/Soros and " Ukrainian anti-corruption activists" appointed by the named above parties.
One more time: "foreign investors"/IMF and "The US government" wanted Shokin gone, because he was loyal to Poroshenko ( and followed his orders first and utmost, instead of following the orders of IMF/Soros and the rest.)

So if someone didn't want to "investigate Burisma properly," it was not because of Shokin, but Poroshenko himself, being part of the corruption and getting his cut on Burisma deals. ( That's why he was resisting firing Shokin for long time, as Biden was insisting on.)
The problem is, Poroshenko was hand-picked by Obama's administration after coup'd etat to run the country as "anti-Russian project," and handled by Dems ever since.

The Dems were hoping to pull the strings of Ukrainian economy with no particular hindrance, but run into the problem of old ties between Poroshenko and the rest of oligarchs. Having the Prosecutor General who was loyal to Poroshenko was an additional problem.

When Trump wanted to get to the bottom of the Dem's collusion, the campaign orchestrated against him via Ukraine back in 2016, and Biden's son mired in corruption ( not to mention the whole "firing of the Prosecutor General" scenario,) that place was swarmed with people representing Dems interests, and of course he couldn't trust anyone, so going through his personal lawyer was the right way to go.
By the way keep in mind that Kurt Volker, during his testimony mentioned that in order to break the ice with Trump, the newly-elected president of Ukraine (Zelensky that is) was advised by HIM ( Volker) to approach Trump via Giuliani.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Old 11-11-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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Absolutely he was there because Burisma bought him off to squash an investigation into their company ...
Nonsense.

That hoax was debunked a long time ago. Try to keep up.
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Old 11-11-2019, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Very good article in the NY Times that details what Biden was doing in Ukraine while he was VP.

Ukraine was a mess, and might still be. At any rate, Biden was there in service of US policy to strengthen Ukraine against Russian adventurism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/u...n-ukraine.html

So Biden's SON needed a very high paying board position for him to do that? Ukraine would expect nothing in return for all that money given to the Biden's.


The New York Times is a Democrat Propaganda Site. NO credibility. Of course the weak minded, lap it up.
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Old 11-11-2019, 03:04 PM
 
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Very good article in the NY Times that details what Biden was doing in Ukraine while he was VP.

Ukraine was a mess, and might still be. At any rate, Biden was there in service of US policy to strengthen Ukraine against Russian adventurism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/u...n-ukraine.html
Trump supporters won't believe that, as you will probably be able to gather by the previous posts.
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