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View Poll Results: Should President Trump pardon Roger Stone?
Yes 32 29.09%
No 78 70.91%
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Old 11-17-2019, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Trump should pardon Stone. His prosecution was for political reasons by Democrats who don't like Trump. Nobody but partisan Democrats will care if pardons Stone b/c few people know who Stone is or could understand what crime Stone committed that warrants a long jail sentence.

Democrats have also prosecuted Mannafort, Cohen, Flynn, and Papa because of their anti-Trump partisanship.

The message they want to send to people is that if you oppose and beat the Democrat party, we will try to jail you.

 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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You tell us to forget your political tribe yet you type this ridiculous right wing talking point that Stone was the victim of the deep state coup. Hilarious, and coming from someone who doesn't understand the process. Rod Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller as a special counsel to look into Russian interference in our election. Rosenstein was appointed by Trump, and Mueller is a Republican respected on both sides of the isle. During his investigation Roger crawled out from under his Stone and a criminal referral was passed to the courts. Stone was convicted by judge and jury. Are you insinuating that the judge and jury were all part of the deep state? That's an embarrassment.

Stone should not be pardoned. Politically it would look bad for Trump. His playbook is to distance himself from convicted felons that he once associated with. Roger who? I hardly know the man is his mantra. Second, Stone was convicted by the courts, not some deep state conspiracy theory, and respect for our rule of law should be the bottom line. Don't worry, he will sit in jail for maybe a year or two and be out for good behavior. White collar criminals have a different standard than the rest of Joe society.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Stone was convicted in DC , liberal prosecutors, liberal judge, liberal jury. Do you think the jury in DC was a bunch of Republicans?

You say Mueller's respected by Republicans...I don't know a single Republican that respects him. You just make stuff up.

Mueller's investigatation was a flop so it is hilarious you are going back to that well. He had no clue about his own investigation in the hearings.

I doubt you can even explain Roger Stone's crime and why it deserves a long jail sentence.

It is my understanding that Stone claimed to have a backchannel to Wikileaks in congressional testimony and one of Stone's associates said that was a lie. How is lying about having a backchannel to Wikileaks something deserving of jail time?

Wasn't the original Democrat accusation that Stone had something to do with the Democrat emails getting delivered to Wikileaks? But he goes to jail because he didn't have connections to Wikileaks? lol
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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Originally Posted by ClemVegas View Post
Trump should pardon Stone. His prosecution was for political reasons by Democrats who don't like Trump. Nobody but partisan Democrats will care if pardons Stone b/c few people know who Stone is or could understand what crime Stone committed that warrants a long jail sentence.

Democrats have also prosecuted Mannafort, Cohen, Flynn, and Papa because of their anti-Trump partisanship.

The message they want to send to people is that if you oppose and beat the Democrat party, we will try to jail you.

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Trump should pardon Stone. His prosecution was for political reasons by Democrats who don't like Trump
He was not prosecuted by Democrats who don't like Trump.

He was prosecuted by a Judge and by a Jury of his Peers, he had attorneys.
(Defense attorneys can eliminate anyone from a Jury that they think would be prejudiced or biased against their case)
He had a Fair trial. He was corrupt, committed Felonies...actions have consequences.

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Nobody but partisan Democrats will care if pardons Stone b/c few people know who Stone is or could understand what crime Stone committed that warrants a long jail sentence.
The Judge, the Prosecution and the Jury of his Peers know. Lots of people care. If you let people get away with this kind of behavior our whole Political System and Government would become impossibly corrupt and crooked.
For your information he was convicted of not one, but seven different felonies....from lying to congress, witness tampering to obstruction of Justice.


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Democrats have also prosecuted Mannafort, Cohen, Flynn, and Papa because of their anti-Trump partisanship.

No, not Democrats. The American Justice system.It has nothing to do with Anti-Trump partisanship...The Justice Department would have shut it down, if any thing of the sort was the case. You know the Justice Department that is run by Barr?
They were all tried by Judge and Jury and had legal counsel.
It's not illegal to support Trump. But when you participate in illegal activities that are illegal, you can end up in jail.


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The message they want to send to people is that if you oppose and beat the Democrat party, we will try to jail you
Total nonsense. But tell yourself what ever you have to, to make yourself feel better.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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He was not prosecuted by Democrats who don't like Trump.

He was prosecuted by a Judge and by a Jury of his Peers, he had attorneys.
(Defense attorneys can eliminate anyone from a Jury that they think would be prejudiced or biased against their case)
He had a Fair trial. He was corrupt, committed Felonies...actions have consequences.


The Judge, the Prosecution and the Jury of his Peers know. Lots of people care. If you let people get away with this kind of behavior our whole Political System and Government would become impossibly corrupt and crooked.
For your information he was convicted of not one, but seven different felonies....from lying to congress, witness tampering to obstruction of Justice.



Democrats have also prosecuted Mannafort, Cohen, Flynn, and Papa because of their anti-Trump partisanship.


No, not Democrats. The American Justice system.
They were all tried by Judge and Jury and had legal counsel.
It's not illegal to support Trump. But when you participate in illegal activities that are illegal, you can end up in jail.



Total nonsense. But tell yourself what ever you have to, to make yourself feel better.
Your party's frontrunner is on video bragging about bribing a prosecutor in Ukraine to drop an investigation against his son.

You don't think Joe Biden should go to jail but you think Roger Stone who lied about having a backchannel to Wikileaks to Congress should go to jail.

But you say you aren't a partisan. lol

What difference does it make if Roger Stone has a backchannel to wikileaks or not? That's like lying about what your favorite desert is.

Democrats never had any evidence that Stone delivered Democrat emails to wikileaks so they convicted him of lying about something that is inconsequential. How do you justify that if you care about justice.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Exactly my position.

Hillary Clinton and others around her broke the law via the classified email server AND via obstructing justice (acid wiping the server and deleting emails even though she was under subpoena).

Until she and others are held to account and the law means the same thing for everyone, I support and fully expect POTUS to pardon most of his associates who have received convictions out of the sham of the Mueller investigation. Note, those people who were caught up in the Mueller investigation for completely separate crimes (like the financial crimes going back decades for the one guy whose name I'm forgetting), you can leave them in jail. But others who were dragged through the mud and whose only crime was lying to investigators about perfectly lawful activity (in which national security was not at risk unlike with the Hillary email server), they should be pardoned. Note, don't expect POTUS to pardon anyone involved in this crap before the 2020 election. But, win or lose the election, I expect pardons after the fact.
Oh lordy, catch up. Newsweek: Hillary Clinton Cleared Of Mishandling Classified Information After 3 Year Private Email Probe, TRUMP SO FAR SILENT. Ya think. Why tell the truth when there are still so many deep state supporters out there believing a lie. This article is from October 2019. By the way, I'm sure you approve of Trump using a private cell phone while everyone including Putin is listening in on in a Ukrainian restaurant conversation with Sondland and others listening at the table? Didn't Trump run on Lock Her Up for the misuse of private email, you know, the same thing his administration is doing.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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Your party's frontrunner is on video bragging about bribing a prosecutor in Ukraine to drop an investigation against his son.
Nope, that is just the lie you wish was true.

Why are you lying?
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Nope, that is just the lie you wish was true.

Why are you lying?
You are proving my point about the far left.

You think this eccentric person , Roger Stone, should go to jail for lying about something of no consequence. But you don't think Democrats like Biden should go to jail, you don't think Hillary should go to jail for using private server/email for classified info, you don't think Obama admin officials should go to jail for spying on Trump's campaign, etc.

You view the justice system as a weapon against Republicans and a protector of corrupt Democrats. There is little difference b/t Democrats and the mafia.

I'll point this out again....Stone was not convicted of anything to do with colluding with Russia or passing DNC emails to Wikileaks. He was convicted for lying about being a backchannel for Wikileaks which actually hurts the Russia collusion theory. lol

how do you not conclude they were trying to convict him of something....

they talking about jailing this guy the rest of his life for lying to congress. how do you say that is a fair punishment if you care about social justice.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:35 AM
 
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If the Stone pardon petition gets 100,000 signatures in 30 days, Trump may well pardon Stone by public acclimation.

trump has been consistently polling ( RCP average ) around 43.7%, support for the pardon in this poll is at 33.3%. if this thread is representational of the general public than a pardon for stone is unpopular even among trump supporters.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:39 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by ClemVegas View Post
You are proving my point about the far left.

You think this eccentric person , Roger Stone, should go to jail for lying about something of no consequence. But you don't think Democrats like Biden should go to jail, you don't think Hillary should go to jail for using private server/email for classified info, you don't think Obama admin officials should go to jail for spying on Trump's campaign, etc.

You view the justice system as a weapon against Republicans and a protector of corrupt Democrats. There is little difference b/t Democrats and the mafia.

I'll point this out again....Stone was not convicted of anything to do with colluding with Russia or passing DNC emails to Wikileaks. He was convicted for lying about being a backchannel for Wikileaks which actually hurts the Russia collusion theory. lol

how do you not conclude they were trying to convict him of something....

they talking about jailing this guy the rest of his life for lying to congress. how do you say that is a fair punishment if you care about social justice.
If it was of no consequence then why lie about it under oath? Not just once but multiple times in an investigation of Russian attempts to influence our elections.

Stone is an arrogant, pompous lying prick and deserves to go to jail.
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