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View Poll Results: Will the House Democrats call a vote to officially impeach President Trump based on what we have see
Yes 86 68.25%
No 40 31.75%
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Old 11-22-2019, 08:17 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Trump never mentioned "corruption" on the phone call with Zelensky (not "Zellinsky", Mr. President). He did mention the Bidens, specifically, more than once. He allegedly mentioned Burisma, specifically, as well. He didn't mention "corruption" on the White House lawn when talking about who Ukraine and China should investigate - he did mention "the Bidens" multiple times.
I was reading the July 25 call transcript the other day. You know what phrase I noticed that Zelensky himself used? “Drain the swamp.” He was referring to what needed to be done in his own country. Later in the conversation, Zelenski actually requested President Trump to provide him any additional information he could to help in the investigation of Burisma.

In this context, it is obvious that “drain the swamp” means rooting out corruption in the Ukraine. And no one disputes that Burisma is a very corrupt company.

 
Old 11-22-2019, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Whether or not Ukraine is corrupt has nothing to do with the subject of the impeachment. The impeachment is about the Trump administration's interactions with the Ukrainian government. Hunter is not affiliated with/connected to either government in any way.
Cute story, but really just another attempt at deflection. Does Trump have the right as the president to ask another country to investigate corruption-especially when that corruption may involve not just US citizens, but a US vice president (and likely president-it is unlikely Biden went behind Obama's back on this)? Or did he do so to impact a Democratic primary nomination (which would be dumb-Biden is dumber than a box of rocks and is an easier competitor than Lizzie. Lizzie is no smarter, but gets the sympathy support for having a vagina)? In the first scenario, it is obvious that not only does he have the right, but he has the obligation to do so. Which means that understanding if there was evidence, or even a strong casual connection, to corruption is fair game in the trial.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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All the testimony given so far in the inquiry has been around a public announcement of an investigation into Burisma and the Bidens, specifically. How does a public announcement of investigation help Ukraine battle their corruption?
Yes, a public sign that they are serious about fighting corruption past, present, and future....again, nothing wrong with that. If these things are done behind closed doors, it's easier to walk them back. If you publicly show that you are going to go after the corruption, it's a more serious signal of your intentions.

Again, you are forced to find a mind reader to PROVE that the intent wasn't the best interest of the US, anyone can make up conspiracy theories and baseless allegations, but those kinds of things can't be acted on.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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President Trump wants Shifty Adam Schiff as his first witness if a trial takes place in the Senate and 2nd Hunter !!!

Can you imagine that ?
Liar Adam Schiff under oath !!! To be honest he has lied so much I doubt if he can remember the truth !!! It would be his complete undoing and expose him for his corruption !!!
The list of witnesses would be fact witnesses many who have lied to push the democrat narrative for political gain !!!

Hunter Biden has already admitted he likely would have not had a position on the board of a corrupt company in the Ukraine if his last name wasn't Biden !!! It would seem Hunter is willing to tell the truth !!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFlZPnS0gKc

He won't testify and we all know that. just more attempted rabbit holes.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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President Trump wants Shifty Adam Schiff as his first witness if a trial takes place in the Senate and 2nd Hunter !!!

Can you imagine that ?
Liar Adam Schiff under oath !!! To be honest he has lied so much I doubt if he can remember the truth !!! It would be his complete undoing and expose him for his corruption !!!
The list of witnesses would be fact witnesses many who have lied to push the democrat narrative for political gain !!!

Hunter Biden has already admitted he likely would have not had a position on the board of a corrupt company in the Ukraine if his last name wasn't Biden !!! It would seem Hunter is willing to tell the truth !!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFlZPnS0gKc

I really resent your characterization of Adam Schiff as as a liar. Your loyalty to a man who would use you and then not pay you boggles the mind. We've seen loyal Americans all come forward and fill in the gaps of what may be characterized as an extortion scheme to give nothing more than talking points to a man who risked a Russian win in Eastern Ukraine.


Accuse your enemy of what you are guilty of. To men such as you the truth is just another lie waiting to be uncovered.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 08:30 AM
 
Location: FL
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That is a ridiculous falsehood. A stupid lie brought to you by your fake news media.
Maybe you should do some research so you are informed.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 08:33 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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What is missing from Dems and their supporters is the big picture. As we all heard from all the witnesses, there appears to be no issue with the present state regarding the ability for Ukraine to defend themselves. Better than when Obama was in charge. Obama, Hillary, Kerry and the other cast of characters involved from the State Department, NSC, Diplomats, Foreign relations experts etc. where unable to deliver. They failed.

So now we have success by this President's Administration. Unorthodox, alarming, disturbing, improper and nearly any other negative opinion label has been out out there. The Lefty MSM smells blood in the water and has lifted the baton to up the drum beat.

However POTUS got the job done. With all the actors, the corruption there, the variables, little to no help from the Democrats , success was achieved. Why wasn't one of the "" expert " witnesses asked about the reality of what would there be had POTUS NOT been able to put together this plan ?

The DEms are so focused on digging out for some potential negative issues, Impeachable offenses, maybe crimes, they have completely forgotten what Foreign Policy Affairs are about. That is a win/win for both sides.

Question: Even with the alleged shenanigans are we better off , is the Ukraine better off now, or before ?

Adam accuses POTUS of being corrupt. I say his unique experience and persona , his methods , the complete package allows him to venture into the Viper Pit that exists in these situations and walk away with a win/win.

If only the Democrats were any way near the ability to do that.
I can't convince you but whenever I ask Trumpies what work he's actually done you say, "The economy." And that's all you can come up with unless you mention the wall which Congress didn't approve. Guess what? The economy stimulates itself for the most part. The only way POTUS actually makes a difference is if he puts a specific policy in place to change it somehow. Private employers hire and fire.

"Unorthodox, alarming, disturbing, improper and nearly any other negative opinion label has been out out there."

Unorthodox-you mean churlish.

alarming-selling our country to Russia is alarming, yes.

improper-see above.

disturbing-yep.
 
Old 11-22-2019, 08:34 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Hunter Biden is not in any way connected with the United States government?

How in the world did he get a job paying $1 million a year in a poor eastern European country when he had no knowledge or experience in the field he was working in? Can most Americans fathom how such a thing can even be possible?

LOL
$50K/mo is $600K a year, not $1M.

How did Hunter get placed on the Board of AMTRAK when he had no experience in running a railroad?
 
Old 11-22-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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Whether or not Ukraine is corrupt has nothing to do with the subject of the impeachment. The impeachment is about the Trump administration's interactions with the Ukrainian government. Hunter is not affiliated with/connected to either government in any way.
That's not true at all "Daddy" connected him not only to the Ukraine but China also !!! Daddy even provided the transportation to China for the payoff !!!
 
Old 11-22-2019, 08:37 AM
 
Location: FL
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You know what is sickening?

Watching Nunes repeat Putin's lies while he was involved in Trump's bribery and extortion scam.
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