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Old 12-15-2019, 09:52 AM
 
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Democrats are accusing Trump of being the one that robbed the bank.


The problem Democrats are running into.... Republicans are proving without a doubt, the Bank was never robbed.
C'mon, just because the allegations against the president are factually incorrect doesn't mean that they are morally incorrect....or something like that.

Isn't that how it goes?

 
Old 12-15-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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When something is provided to "defend" over, then get back with us....


I'm mad because we lost the 2016 election is not constitutional nor legal....
It's worth noting the claim of “overturning the results of the 2016 election” & to "influence the next election” was made by White House Counsel Pat Cipollone.

This argument was made by the defense & is not a constitutional argument, nor is it a legal argument; it's the stuff of tweets & talking points.
 
Old 12-15-2019, 10:04 AM
 
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It's worth noting the claim of “overturning the results of the 2016 election” & to "influence the next election” was made by White House Counsel Pat Cipollone.

This argument was made by the defense & is not a constitutional argument, nor is it a legal argument; it's the stuff of tweets & talking points.



So, provide something legal to defend against....until then....
 
Old 12-15-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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I think some of you guys should read Pat Cipollone's letter:

Read the White House letter on not participating in the House impeachment hearing

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A senior Trump administration official said the White House will not participate in the House Judiciary Committee’s next impeachment hearing.

The decision came Friday in a letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...chment-hearing
 
Old 12-15-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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This President's decision not to defend himself in the House impeachment inquiry breaks with precedents established in both the Nixon & Clinton administrations, both of which sent White House counsel to question witnesses & to present a legal defense.

After they complained about being left out of House impeachment process, White House Counsel declined to participate.

What's their legal rationale here?
 
Old 12-15-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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Provide something to defend against....
 
Old 12-15-2019, 10:18 AM
 
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So, provide something legal to defend against....until then....
That might work for someone who's claiming to be 'above the law' but for most folks? They need to provide a defense.

Why didn't they?
 
Old 12-15-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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That might work for someone who's claiming to be 'above the law' but for most folks? They need to provide a defense.

Why didn't they?



Nothing to defend against....


Are you saying that the president is guilty and he has to prove he is innocent.....
 
Old 12-15-2019, 10:20 AM
 
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This President's decision not to defend himself in the House impeachment inquiry breaks with precedents established in both the Nixon & Clinton administrations, both of which sent White House counsel to question witnesses & to present a legal defense.

After they complained about being left out of House impeachment process, White House Counsel declined to participate.

What's their legal rationale here?
The House impeachment itself broke with precedents of fairness and legitimacy...after they showed what a sham the whole thing was going to be in the early stages there was no point in dragging out a what was an entirely political process by getting involved. Just let the House Democrats embarrass themselves and then use it against them in the upcoming election.

The President making his case in the House, if it was even going to be allowed to happen properly, wouldn't have changed one vote. It would have just made the process longer.
 
Old 12-15-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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That might work for someone who's claiming to be 'above the law' but for most folks? They need to provide a defense.

Why didn't they?
In this country, you are presumed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty. If there's no proof you acted illegally, there's nothing to defend against....the initial presumption is that you are innocent.
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