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The goal is to affect the 2020 election and try and take the Senate.
Trump is good at exposing the broken corrupt system and keeps on punching.
Democrats are not going to be happy with the results of these actions.
I completely agree with you on every point, but Tonyafd was right in that due process has nothing whatsoever to do with today's act in the ongoing impeachment circus, nor will due process show up in the Senate "trial." It will be political theater according to some vague guidelines each chamber of Congress writes for themselves.
Democrats will get their "3rd President impeached" caveat to jerk off over for the next 50 years, and Republicans will get a 2nd Trump term, a few more seats in the Senate and possibly the House majority, and likely at least 1 more SCOTUS judge to replace Her Honor, the Crypt Keeper.
It is notable that Republicans have focused on 'process' and 'fairness', but never yet on the facts.
All the Republicans have done is focus on the facts. That's the whole problem with the Democrats argument - the facts don't support their partisan impeachment sham.
The Democrats have a better argument for being denied due process than the Republicans do. Trump obstructed justice by illegally ordering his staff to ignore House subpoenas and refused to release documents.
The Republicans requested that they be allowed two witnesses, which was granted by Schiff. Unfortunately for Trump those two witnesses backfired somewhat and didn't exactly exonerate Trump. Funny what being under oath will do.
Even with Trump's obstruction, enough good, solid evidence was secured and his impeachment today is fully warranted.
The Democrats have a better argument for being denied due process than the Republicans do. Trump obstructed justice by illegally ordering his staff to ignore House subpoenas and refused to release documents.
They never asked the Judiciary to settle the argument, and by not doing so, gave none of the people subpoenaed a compelling reason to comply. Executive privilege was exercised and never challenged in the courts. Dems lose.
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The Republicans requested that they be allowed two witnesses, which was granted by Schiff. Unfortunately for Trump those two witnesses backfired somewhat and didn't exactly exonerate Trump. Funny what being under oath will do.
You don't prove innocence in America. Exoneration is not an outcome in any proceeding, legal or political.
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Even with Trump's obstruction, enough good, solid evidence was secured and his impeachment today is fully warranted.
Impeachment is an opinion, shared by most of the members of the Democrat majority in the House and no one else. So sure, they will formalize their opinion an then send it to the Senate, where the majority in the Senate will disagree with the House opinion, and the matter is dead, living on only in spirit in the fever dreams of anti-Trumpers.
They never asked the Judiciary to settle the argument, and by not doing so, gave none of the people subpoenaed a compelling reason to comply. Executive privilege was exercised and never challenged in the courts. Dems lose.
Wrong. The power of Congress to investigate and subpoena has been affirmed in multiple Supreme Court cases, and they also ruled that impeachment investigations are not reviewable by the Judiciary. They also ruled in U.S. vs Nixon that the president cannot use executive privilege as an excuse to withhold evidence that is "demonstrably relevant."
The financial records case that the Sup Ct will review later is unrelated to the two impeachment counts.
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You don't prove innocence in America. Exoneration is not an outcome in any proceeding, legal or political.
After the Senate acquits Trump, are you telling me he's not going to tweet that he was exonerated? Of course he will.
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Impeachment is an opinion, shared by most of the members of the Democrat majority in the House and no one else. So sure, they will formalize their opinion an then send it to the Senate, where the majority in the Senate will disagree with the House opinion, and the matter is dead, living on only in spirit in the fever dreams of anti-Trumpers.
Impeachment is a permanent historical record and is a stain on Trump's legacy. Next month the Senate will shirk their constitutional duty, ignore the evidence, and will put party ahead of country.
Wrong. The power of Congress to investigate and subpoena has been affirmed in multiple Supreme Court cases, and they also ruled that impeachment investigations are not reviewable by the Judiciary. They also ruled in U.S. vs Nixon that the president cannot use executive privilege as an excuse to withhold evidence that is "demonstrably relevant."
Wrong. With Nixon they went to Court and got the Judiary to rule.
Alan D Knows much more than you or I on this subject.
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The president, as head of the executive branch, is entitled to challenge in court legislative subpoenas that demand material that may be subject to claims of privilege. He is also entitled to insist that the legislature obtain a court order before the executive branch complies. That is how checks and balances work.
Wrong. The power of Congress to investigate and subpoena has been affirmed in multiple Supreme Court cases, and they also ruled that impeachment investigations are not reviewable by the Judiciary. They also ruled in U.S. vs Nixon that the president cannot use executive privilege as an excuse to withhold evidence that is "demonstrably relevant."
The financial records case that the Sup Ct will review later is unrelated to the two impeachment counts.
After the Senate acquits Trump, are you telling me he's not going to tweet that he was exonerated? Of course he will.
Impeachment is a permanent historical record and is a stain on Trump's legacy. Next month the Senate will shirk their constitutional duty, ignore the evidence, and will put party ahead of country.
Talk about ignoring evidence. How do you ignore all the August text messages coordinating the Ukrainian public release of an investigation into 2016 election meddling and Burisma. No mention of Joe Biden in any of them. Just because you and your d’wit buddies want to twist the facts doesn’t make it so.
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