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Old 12-27-2019, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The country is at the tipping point. If traditional America is no more, there are only two alternatives.
1. Civil War
2. Peacefully break apart the country.

I'm hoping cooler heads will prevail, and the country can be split up. That way the left can live their way in their states, and traditional America can do the same in their states.
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Old 12-27-2019, 04:34 AM
 
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Where is there a "Military police state" in the US. In Las Vegas, there are 4109 sworn officers for 2.2 Million people and 8061 sq mi - so realistically about 1 officer per 12 sqmi or per 3.2K pop on duty at any time. San Diego is similar, 1787 officers for 1.4 Million people or about 1 officer per 4.7K pop on duty. Not really police state numbers - LoL. Who do you think is part of this "civil war".

Police, National guard and Active Military DO NOT just pull hardware from each other.

Big leap to Nukes - no "rebel" has the equipment, raw material and knowledge to "develop nuclear weapons on their own".
There is new laser technology that has been developed that reduces uranium enrichment from a massive complex to about 1500 sq ft. Once that spreads then raw materials will become the only barrier.

Getting raw uranium ore is WAY easier to get than enriched uranium. In fact you can pick it up on the ground in Colorado and other places.

There are alot of people that want them and are working on making them easier to make because it gives the holder tremendous leverage.

You talk about personal numbers, those are irrelavent, its the force multiply tech that provides ALL the leverage. 1 A10 and a pilot can smoke thousands in a conflict.

You dont think in a civil war siutation the president would authorize use of police and national guard to use military hardware? You better think again, they give local law enforcement MRAP's, military grade fire arms, etc. And thats during peace time.

The only thing that has no resistance is 5-10 nukes, those weapons have the ability to bring the entire nation to its knees. Without those nukes, most people will be hiding in their bed, why go out and get smoked by an FBI sniper who is an ex army sniper or hit with a hell fire or have swat come in using military armor and weapons. No one will.
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Old 12-27-2019, 04:39 AM
 
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The country is at the tipping point. If traditional America is no more, there are only two alternatives.
1. Civil War
2. Peacefully break apart the country.

I'm hoping cooler heads will prevail, and the country can be split up. That way the left can live their way in their states, and traditional America can do the same in their states.
Nope, the police state will force it to stay together through the threat of extreme violence against anyone who shows themselves as a leader or who initates an attack. The response will be brutal and the force will be overwhelming.

All you have to do is look at ruby ridge and wako. You are not looking for the fact that wako the guy was a nut, you are looking at how easy it was for the US govt to smoke that guy, it was a turkey shoot. What chance do you think you have?

Unless you get a crystal clear message from Jesus that he is going to walk you through it because he is so disgusted with certain elements of the USA ... If God is on your side no one can win agaisnt you. But there is little precident for that in the NT so it would have to be crystal clear message.
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Old 12-27-2019, 05:02 AM
 
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No poge, we wouldn't. The military takes an oath to the constitution, not a political ideology. If you seriously retired from the Army and never figured that out, you were most certainly a terrible NCO.
If the Constitution is being violated, then yes, I would see most military not following those orders.
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Old 12-27-2019, 05:40 AM
 
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If he's impeached and removed, it will be a leftist coup. There's no crime that Trump could commit that his supporters would accept as a legitimate reason for impeachment and removal. If he loses in 2020, he will claim the loss illegitimate and half the country will back him up, refusing to accept he defeat and if the Democratic victor is inaugurated, it will be declared a leftist coup. If the unthinkable happens, he will be a martyr and that will mean certain civil war. If he goes of natural causes/old age, there will be a big conspiracy that half the country would believe and that could also spark civil war.

Question is, is there any way Trump leaves office without it becoming a serious national crisis?

Of course, most people believe it's impossible for him to lose and that he'll serve until 2025 no matter what, but what if that doesn't happen? There's always "what ifs."
There's nothing that Trump could do that his haters with TDS would accept as a legitimate reason for keeping him.
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Old 12-27-2019, 05:42 AM
 
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Cult? How about a little respect for your fellow Americans? Just because we don't agree with your views does not make us a cult any more than the Obama followers of their time. Cult is just a nasty, hateful word to use.

It's utter nonsense that any so-called hate groups have been encouraged by Trump. What I wouldn't give if you and yours would stop with your own hatred. Maybe we could be more united as society without that.
"Cult?" note clinton and obama supporters NEVER were called a "cult' .'nuff said!
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: On the Beach
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I don't see a civil war but I will certainly be having a party. Unfortunately I don't see it happening in the near future but, there will eventually be an end to trump.
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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But will Trump ever leave? According to him he has absolute immunity both civil and criminal while in office. And his followers say he is the chosen one ordained by the almighty to rule over the masses. The beginning of a Trump dynasty like the old despots of history. We’re stuck with him and his family for generations.
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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But will Trump ever leave? According to him he has absolute immunity both civil and criminal while in office. And his followers he is the chosen one ordained by the almighty to rule over the masses. The beginning of a Trump dynasty like the old despots of history. We’re stuck with him and his family for generations.
Being facetious much
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Old 12-27-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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Holy crap! Your solution is to nuke tens of millions of Americans, including women and children because they disagree with you on gun control and abortion? Seriously, WTF is wrong with you? Are you stupid or just insane? You want to kill millions of American children so you can keep your AR?
That is how totally unhinged the right have become. In all honesty, if you want to fall in line with their thinking, they should all be rounded up & tossed into camps. They’re not safe to be out amongst the public.
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