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Old 12-20-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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The founding fathers also didn't intend that the POTUS to be a dictator. Seems some Republicans in the Senate think differently. Ask Ms Lyndsey Graham.

All the House is asking is that Moscow Mitch allow witnesses. He refuses. Aren't witnesses generally called to testify in a trial?
See Bobby's answer.

The Senate is not required to have a trial much less call witnesses or conduct a trial according to specifications from the House.

Pelosi can send whatever request she wants with the Articles of Impeachment. If she wanted other people to testify, she should have gone to SCOTUS for their ruling on the President's constitutionally allowed claim of executive privilege.

She wants to wrap herself in the legacy of the founding fathers, the Constitution and the blood of American heroes while she perpetuates a partisan sham of an impeachment on America, she can at least follow that same Constitution.
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Old 12-20-2019, 08:52 AM
 
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The founding fathers also didn't intend that the POTUS to be a dictator. Seems some Republicans in the Senate think differently. Ask Ms Lyndsey Graham.

All the House is asking is that Moscow Mitch allow witnesses. He refuses. Aren't witnesses generally called to testify in a trial?
Whenever I hear the word Dictator,over and over again, and the Founding Fathers " intent " , I must constantly remind people that their answer is quite simple. An election.

Elections. That's how we select our leaders. Not by Committees , Parliamentary procedures , secret inquisitions , and whatever is pieced together to fit a narrative.

Dems will have their chance to dispose of this " Dictator" in 11 months. Apparently , by the most recent actions in delaying the procedure, it must not be an urgent issue of " National Security "
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Old 12-20-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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What is to stop Mitch McConnell from moving ahead with the trial if he wants to? As far as the articles of impeachment, they have been published in the Congressional Record for access by anyone and everyone. Here is the link:

H.Res.755 - Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.

Mitch McConnell can move ahead and the Democrats could try to appeal that to the Supreme Court if the wish. It is hard to imagine the Supreme Court enabling this matter to stay in limbo during an election year for what is obviously purposes of partisan vindictiveness by the Democrats. The non-TDS afflicted American people are not going to respect these kinds of shenanigans, either.

Anyway, it is up to McConnell now. This process was never intended to be abused in the way that it currently is. McConnell will be completely in the right to move ahead and finish this exercise. Let the Democrats appeal that to the Supreme Court if they do not like it.
You may be right, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if POTUS goes to the Supremes and demands his right to a speedy trial lol.

Not sure whether that would be wise or not, but I can definitely see him doing it.
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Old 12-20-2019, 08:55 AM
 
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The founding fathers also didn't intend that the POTUS to be a dictator. Seems some Republicans in the Senate think differently. Ask Ms Lyndsey Graham.

All the House is asking is that Moscow Mitch allow witnesses. He refuses. Aren't witnesses generally called to testify in a trial?
the loonacy of this post is just astounding. There isn't even a shred of evidence that Trump or the republicans want any form of dictator. that's just hyperbolic nonsense.


as for what the House is asking... they don't get a vote. they don't get a freaking request. period.


If you want to talk founding fathers, they didn't want this to be a partisian process. clearly this one is. they couldn't even get all the dems to agree to the twisted terms.
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Old 12-20-2019, 08:56 AM
 
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the competing theory is that the Senate could just pick it up, hold their trial, acquit the president and move along smartly.


There is no constitutional requirement that the house send something to the senate. it only says the house impeaches (one can claim they did) and the Senate tries. period.
Incorrect.

Jefferson's Manual (1801) and adopted by the US House in 1837 as rules for parliamentary procedure to implement the US constitution spells out exactly what the US House must do for an Impeachment. The US House has not voted to toss this 220 year old document aside.

Pelosi has not completed it, so there's no impeachment.



Only the idiotic Democrats could screw up something so important.
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Old 12-20-2019, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Boston
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I've said this several times already.

The Impeachment is not complete until Pelosi sends it to the Senate. The Jefferson Manual clearly points this out.

Trump HAS NOT been impeached as of this day.


Only the idiotic house Democrats could drop a nuclear bomb and when the dust cleared, nothing happened.
you're 100% correct. Trump has not been impeached. Impeachment is a process, not a vote. Until you send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate, you haven't impeached the President.
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Old 12-20-2019, 08:57 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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True or not, it doesn't matter. History will remember him as being impeached.
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Old 12-20-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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Trump HAS NOT BEEN IMPEACHED.



The very rules of the US House, put forth by Thomas Jefferson no less, which they have had since 1837 clearly states this.
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Old 12-20-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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you're 100% correct. Trump has not been impeached. Impeachment is a process, not a vote. Until you send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate, you haven't impeached the President.
Which brings up a question as to if the House should consider a vote to expel Pelosi since she's obstructing congress by refusing to perform her duties and submit the articles of impeachment to the Senate after the House voted that she do so.
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Old 12-20-2019, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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And it comes straight from a publication owned by one of the democratic candidates.

I guess nobody can complain about the source.

Uh oh...
I am glad that the red team is finally realizing that democratic sources are the most accurate and reliable!

No problem with this issue. I don't want to see Pence president either and Trump will make a total butt job of himself during the next 10 months.
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