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Old 12-30-2019, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian View Post
There is no such thing as a loophole. There is tax law, and even though byzantine and insane, it is public record and available for anyone to view in its entirety, for federal, state and local taxes. What you call loopholes are written laws that most simply do not bother to read.

Ever want a good primer on why these laws are not loopholes, find a transcript of when Tim Cook was called before Congress to explain Apple's taxes. He broke it down and made them all look retarded.
I wasn't insinuating that the loopholes were illegal, just a means of tax avoidance particularly for wealthy and corporations. They pay good money to these lobbyists for preferential tax codes.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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Relative to the total population of the state it's quite high, so much so if House and electoral seats were allocated based on the legal population it would lose a seat/EC vote based on one study. That's only one of ten seats that would be reallocated, the others are in CA(5), TX(2), FL(1) and NY(1).
Again, cite the data. Washington has a higher Asian population but they are mostly programmers, typically Indian and Chinese. Washington is a giver state and one of the LEAST federally dependent states in the country.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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taking a real shot in the dark here ... do you have ANY data to back up your assertions?



BTW, whoever mentioned - SALT cap went into effect in 2018. If it affected you, you'd know and remember. You'd also remember the 1040 form changed significantly.
The SALT impacted those that were in excess of the standard deductions of $12K single and $24K married. That impacted a good segment of the population in high tax states.
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:00 AM
 
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DDOS protection is NOT "freaking out the browser."

Let me guess... You're technologically illiterate. /smh
Far from it. ALSO the study you cited from the questionable link dated 2012 is using data from:

Merged Data Set
Merged Data Set 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007


It's about 36 hours from 2020. Why pull such old data from an old study to justify an old blog article to support a position when current data shows otherwise? Hmm?
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:01 AM
 
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. Further, how many of those Trump loving farmers in Nebraska are receiving billions in Trump money courtesy of taxpayers?

While there is clearly abuses and things that should and need to be addressed the primary purpose of the farm subsidies is to keep food prices in check and insure an adequate food supply. You would first need to determine how much benefit someone in Seattle Washington is receiving for that and allocate those federal funds to them. As far as insuring an adequate food supply I'm not sure you can put a price on that.



With the current temporary situation with relief the Chinese are clearly trying to manipulate US policy and our elections. Of course if you have the partisan blinders on you'll willfully ignore this interference that is staring you right in the face.
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Are you really trying to claim that marginal tax rates are the same as effective tax rates? That's idiotic.
No, I never indicated that. The tax on $79,000 is $9,000 which is 11% (your table [age 5), you indicated that someone making $100K is 10%
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:05 AM
 
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While there is clearly abuses and things that should and need to be addressed the primary purpose of the farm subsidies is to keep food prices in check and insure an adequate food supply. You would first need to determine how much benefit someone in Seattle Washington is receiving for that and allocate those federal funds to them. As far as insuring an adequate food supply I'm not sure you can put a price on that.

With the current temporary situation with relief the Chinese are clearly trying to manipulate US policy and our elections. Of course if you have the partisan blinders on you'll willfully ignore this interference that is staring you right in the face.
If the farmers can't make money, they shouldn't be farmers. It's not like they aren't making us pay for the food they grow on top of the billions they receive.

And again, why are we paying coal miners for the failure of their PRIVATE pension with retirement checks for life and health care ON TOP of Social Security?

Face it, red states are sucking the country dry and all Trump's tax plan did was direct MORE blue state money to red states.
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Because Democrats outnumber Republicans on means-tested public assistance programs by more than 2 to 1. Why shouldn't blue states pay for Dem slackers?
Are Welfare Recipients Mostly Republican? Or Democrat?.
you must not have read the whole article? "The data is from 2004-2007" lmao
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The Politics and Demographics of Food Stamp Recipients - Pew Research
What's interesting about the Pew Research study poll is that it asked about the receipt of Food Stamp benefits over one's entire adult lifetime. And it confirms the Maxwell Poll's reported stats.
And what you left out from the Pew study:
"The survey found that significant proportions of Democrats (60%) and Republicans (52%) say they have benefited from a major entitlement program at some point in their lives. So have nearly equal shares of self-identifying conservatives (57%), liberals (53%) and moderates (53%). The programs were Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment benefits and food stamps."

I don't think it's very ethical to cherry pick data for confirmation bias.
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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And? The question is why should two people MAKING THE SAME INCOME, one in New York, one in WV to use your example, pay different amounts of federal income tax, just because one of those states is poorly run and extorts far, far more from their residents to fund government programs? If they citizens of those states like what their state spends, they should be willing to pay for it-not count on other citizens to subsidize them. And if they have a problem with that much of their income being taken by their state-they should demand that their state be run responsibly.
A state that has higher taxes is not necessarily poorly run, and a state with low tax is not necessarily a success story. Most high tax stated provide services that people enjoy.


I'm not against the changes in SALT because it does add fairness, but it should have been phased in and the entire tax code should have been addressed not just one aspect.
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Far from it. ALSO the study you cited from the questionable link dated 2012 is using data from:

Merged Data Set
Merged Data Set 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007


It's about 36 hours from 2020. Why pull such old data from an old study to justify an old blog article to support a position when current data shows otherwise? Hmm?
oh I dunno...maybe confirmation bias? There seems to be a lot of that around here lately
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