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Old 01-07-2020, 12:30 PM
 
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The "combat phase" was not over. Been almost two decades now.

Who are you trying to to kid?
The combat phase agianst the Iraqi army was over quiet quickly.
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:42 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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He worked with the US in fighting the Sunni resistance and ISIS. He is on the bad side of the US because he also directed the defense of Lebanon against Israel's invasion. There is a limit to how much the US will cooperate against ISIS and Al Qaeda, only to the extent that they can control the governments under their threat but not enough to eliminate their threat. It's evidenced by the attacks against the Iraqi border posts to deter the flow of ISIS.
I don't know what flag you salute or what country you are a citizen of. The Israeli "invasion" of Lebanon was due to constant terrorist infiltration, but you knew that. Obviously you don't think Israel should exist as a Jewish state. I don't understand what you mean by "how much the US will cooperate against ISIS and Al Qaeda."


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He worked with the US in fighting the Sunni resistance and ISIS. He is on the bad side of the US because he also directed the defense of Lebanon against Israel's invasion. There is a limit to how much the US will cooperate against ISIS and Al Qaeda, only to the extent that they can control the governments under their threat but not enough to eliminate their threat. It's evidenced by the attacks against the Iraqi border posts to deter the flow of ISIS.
Let me preface this with wishing we never got involved with the M/E at all, but that ship sailed long ago.

Previous administrations probably should have taken him out , years ago before he became so popular and powerful ,instead of just kicking the can down the road. Just a guess though.
The one thing that Trump has not done is persisting in "kicking cans down the road." Everyone else has, leaving a mess. But so did Neville Chamberlain and Lord Halifax. As far as not being involved in the Middle East the accident of nature that places both the Holy Land and oil there, albeit in different places, made that not an option.
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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Oh the upper-middle class Baby Boomers here won't be doing that at all.

It'll be the working-class whites in Middle America (and poor blacks/hispanics) that'll be doing the fighting and dying...
That's right! Story as old as time.
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:49 PM
 
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Let me preface this with wishing we never got involved with the M/E at all, but that ship sailed long ago.

Previous administrations probably should have taken him out , years ago before he became so popular and powerful ,instead of just kicking the can down the road. Just a guess though.

And in the reality of things, neither you nor I, or anyone else knows why this was done. Speculation is all any of us have unless we were in the briefing room when this op was being planned. So just sit there and insult others that have a different perspective of this, although you are just as guilty as those you chastise.

"An historic realignment of Iranian politics may therefore be in the cards, and there is strong evidence that Iranians are increasingly willing to consider a third path: a military president.174 If so, Soleimani would be the natural front-runner. A recent University of Maryland poll found that almost 65 percent of Iranians hold a “very favorable” view of the general, giving him a commanding 28-point lead over his nearest rival, Foreign Minister Javad Zarif"

"In his July 2018 Hamdan speech calling out President Trump, Soleimani boasted of his country’s prowess in asymmetric warfare. Following a similar vein, both Soleimani’s deputy, Brigadier General Esmail Qaani, and Soleimani’s (nominal) boss, IRGC commander-in-chief Major General Mohammed Ali Jafari, have recently trumpeted the advent of what they call “international basij.” Basij, which translates as “mobilization,” was a term used to refer to citizen militias raised in support of the Islamic Revolution."

"Iran’s “Axis of Resistance” has been built on the efforts of proxies controlled by Soleimani in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen—and on the marriage between state and militant power that Iran has been able to broker in each of those countries. The success of this model will have repercussions across the Middle East for years, if not decades to come."

https://ctc.usma.edu/qassem-soleiman...onal-strategy/
Asymmetric warfare is a fancy word for saying that we invaded a country with a significant ethnic population that we don't have enough ground forces to subdue or hold. In those cases, a guerilla movement with political support of the population arises in opposition to the foreign occupation, such as in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, and others. The US-British-Israeli solution is to form a weak divided placeholder government and form a military comprised of a different ethnic and tribal composition to police those areas where the insurgency is strongest.

Words like terrorists are used to make moral and emotional appeals to the US public. The reality is that one side is the invader that wishes to appropriate the resources of the occupied nation and there is significant public opposition to the looting (see the 100 rules by Bremer's CPS when the US invaded Iraq).

Trump just stated that Iraq won't be allowed to run their own country.
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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Default Qassem Soleimani: He will kill no more

The guy you people are defending:


Qassem Soleimani: He will kill no more

https://www.arabnews.com/node/160799...mjNv2.facebook

...And what a price this region has paid for Soleimani’s bloodlust and vanity. In Iraq, hundreds of coalition troops killed in thousands of attacks by Soleimani-trained militias in the quagmire that followed the removal of Saddam Hussein; and more recently, when Iraqis took to the streets in protest against the corruption and ineptitude of their Iranian puppet government, Soleimani, as Arab News reported, flew to Baghdad to take personal charge of the brutal crackdown in which at least 450 unarmed Iraqi civilians were killed....
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:51 PM
 
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Who is defending him? Specifically
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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It's not really about him - the Trump admin has another goal here. Because Soleimani has already been replaced by another top general and will continue on with the plan of using proxies to attack us and allies. Sure, he won't be as "good" as Soleimani, but the new guy still has the "green light" from Iran to continue.
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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This is sort of like Al Qaeda went away when Bin Laden was killed?
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:54 PM
 
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It's not really about him - the Trump admin has another goal here. Because Soleimani has already been replaced by another top general and will continue on with the plan of using proxies to attack us and allies. Sure, he won't be as "good" as Soleimani, but the new guy still has the "green light" from Iran to continue.
Well my friend YOUR PRESIDENT who is afterall protecting you has a great BIG RED LIGHT......lol
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Old 01-07-2020, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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The guy you people are defending:


Qassem Soleimani: He will kill no more

https://www.arabnews.com/node/160799...mjNv2.facebook

...And what a price this region has paid for Soleimani’s bloodlust and vanity. In Iraq, hundreds of coalition troops killed in thousands of attacks by Soleimani-trained militias in the quagmire that followed the removal of Saddam Hussein; and more recently, when Iraqis took to the streets in protest against the corruption and ineptitude of their Iranian puppet government, Soleimani, as Arab News reported, flew to Baghdad to take personal charge of the brutal crackdown in which at least 450 unarmed Iraqi civilians were killed....
You are sadly naive if you think killing one person will bring peace to the Middle East or extricate the US from further involvement in the region, which was what Trump promised everyone when elected. He didn't lie to America did he?
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