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Old 01-06-2020, 06:30 PM
 
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That Judge Judy Sheindlin sits on the U.S. Supreme Court:

"A 2016 survey revealed 10 percent of college graduates believe she actually already serves on the highest court in the land."
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...campaign-trail


Many of them are formulating Climate Change science and policy.

 
Old 01-06-2020, 07:10 PM
 
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Are you suggesting that perhaps colleges should graduate 10% fewer students?

I see this as a direct consequence of letting people graduate from college who have not acquired a broad and deep knowledge base and critical thinking skills. Too often that results from people being admitted to college who would not have met admission standards not so long ago. When colleges started seeing the additional money they could get from admitting students with a broader range of preparation. Combine that with students who really want job training rather than a universal education, and I'm not surprised at the numbers in the survey that was linked to in the article you linked.
 
Old 01-06-2020, 07:27 PM
 
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Are you suggesting that perhaps colleges should graduate 10% fewer students?

I see this as a direct consequence of letting people graduate from college who have not acquired a broad and deep knowledge base and critical thinking skills. Too often that results from people being admitted to college who would not have met admission standards not so long ago. When colleges started seeing the additional money they could get from admitting students with a broader range of preparation. Combine that with students who really want job training rather than a universal education, and I'm not surprised at the numbers in the survey that was linked to in the article you linked.
No question, we admit way, way too many kids to four-year universities. However, this runs much deeper than that. We have ignorant parents, cutting across different socioeconomic strata, raising ignorant kids. No curiosity, and this is often fostered by parents who treat school merely as a means to get a high-paying job.

You'd have to go back a long ways to find a time in our history when Americans were so ignorant about our history, basic civics, and Western civilization and culture. It may be unprecedented. People should keep this in mind amidst recent reports about things never being better in human history.
 
Old 01-06-2020, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Are you suggesting that perhaps colleges should graduate 10% fewer students?

I see this as a direct consequence of letting people graduate from college who have not acquired a broad and deep knowledge base and critical thinking skills. Too often that results from people being admitted to college who would not have met admission standards not so long ago. When colleges started seeing the additional money they could get from admitting students with a broader range of preparation. Combine that with students who really want job training rather than a universal education, and I'm not surprised at the numbers in the survey that was linked to in the article you linked.
I think it comes more from 1) admitting morons to take their money and 2) our education industry doing a terrible job.
 
Old 01-06-2020, 07:41 PM
 
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College isn't what is used to be. In the push for "equality," students who formerly were considered "not college material" are being accepted and passed through college with the idea that have B.A. behind one's name, regardless of ability, knowledge, or intelligence, is the key to achieving a successful life. Thus, we have newly minted college graduates who know less and are seemingly less competent than high school graduates of a generation ago.

This does a disservice both to the kids who are "college material," as the value of a degree is watered down, as well as to the mediocre students who graduate with useless degrees, minimal skills, and a boatload of student debt. The latter group of students should instead be encouraged to go for a vocational certificate or a MARKETABLE community college degree.
 
Old 01-06-2020, 07:50 PM
 
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Are you suggesting that perhaps colleges should graduate 10% fewer students?

I see this as a direct consequence of letting people graduate from college who have not acquired a broad and deep knowledge base and critical thinking skills. Too often that results from people being admitted to college who would not have met admission standards not so long ago. When colleges started seeing the additional money they could get from admitting students with a broader range of preparation. Combine that with students who really want job training rather than a universal education, and I'm not surprised at the numbers in the survey that was linked to in the article you linked.
No question, we admit way, way too many kids to four-year universities. However, this runs much deeper than that. We have ignorant parents, cutting across different socioeconomic strata, raising ignorant kids. No curiosity, and this is often fostered by parents who treat school merely as a means to get a high-paying job.

You'd have to go back a long ways to find a time in our history when Americans were so ignorant about our history, basic civics, and Western civilization and culture. It may be unprecedented. People should keep this in mind amidst recent reports about things never being better in human history.
Wait a minute--they graduated. They're college graduates. So they're part of the smarty club. That credential means something.

Formulating Climate policy. They're part of that overwhelming majority that settled the science impressively in just a few paychecks' time.
 
Old 01-06-2020, 08:13 PM
 
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That's a fake poll that was put together by a right wing propaganda group called The American Council of Trustees and Alumni .

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...ees_and_Alumni

The American Council of Trustees and Alumni (ACTA)...ACTA is an associate member of the right-wing State Policy Network (SPN)

SPN is the tip of the spear of far-right, nationally funded policy agenda in the states that undergirds extremists in the Republican Party
 
Old 01-06-2020, 08:19 PM
 
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That's a fake poll that was put together by a right wing propaganda group called The American Council of Trustees and Alumni .


https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...ees_and_Alumni




The American Council of Trustees and Alumni (ACTA)...ACTA is an associate member of the right-wing State Policy Network (SPN)



SPN is the tip of the spear of far-right, nationally funded policy agenda in the states that undergirds extremists in the Republican Party
Except the Hill is a widely-acknowledged left of center web site.

And it sure sounds like the American Council of Trustees and Alumni is going to have a better bead on the intellectual pulse of today's campuses than you.
 
Old 01-06-2020, 08:27 PM
 
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Except the Hill is a widely-acknowledged left of center web site.
The Hill article is an OPINION piece. The reference to the fake poll in the Opinion Piece is from the far right wing propaganda organization associated with SPN. It's propaganda disguised as a poll.

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...Policy_Network

SPN groups increasingly peddle cookie-cutter "studies" to back the cookie-cutter ALEC agenda, spinning that agenda as indigenous to the state and giving it the aura of academic legitimacy.
 
Old 01-06-2020, 08:52 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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That Judge Judy Sheindlin sits on the U.S. Supreme Court:

"A 2016 survey revealed 10 percent of college graduates believe she actually already serves on the highest court in the land."
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...campaign-trail


Many of them are formulating Climate Change science and policy.
Well considering the fact that the people currently making foreign policy decisions believe that the earth is 6,000 years old, that we are living in the End Times and that the Rapture could happen at any time, and that all we need is a good war in the Middle East to kick off the apocalypse, this sounds like a small worry in comparison.
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