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Old 01-10-2020, 01:49 AM
 
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I'm in the 52% majority and I am no Democrat!
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Old 01-10-2020, 02:57 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Well I don't believe that I am any less safe than a month ago, 8 years ago or 16 years ago. I am also no more safe either.

We would all be more safe if our elected reps would stop playing world cop.
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:07 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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"Americans by more than 2-1 say the killing of Iranian Gen. Qasem Soleimani has made the United States less safe, a nationwide USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds, amid broad concerns about the potential consequences ahead. A majority of those surveyed, by 52%-34%, called Trump's behavior with Iran "reckless.""

If a 52-34 majority think Trump is reckless, then they also think he's not fit for office. Bad news for Trump's reelection chances.

Wag the Dog: "By 47%-39%, those surveyed said Trump ordered the killing of Soleimani in an attempt to divert the focus from his impeachment." Given the poor reception by senators at the Iran briefing -- where evidence that Soleimani was an immenent threat was lacking -- the "wag the dog" theory moves from silly conspiracy theory to a plausible explanation.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ll/2835962001/
Give me a break. Half of this country can barely run their own lives! They have no idea of the details needed to chime in on something like this.
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:16 AM
 
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The evidence is our wounded and dead service members by this pig's handy work as a terrorist.
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:38 AM
 
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The media also had most of the sheep believing WW3 was about to start.

No war, and a terrorist is dead. Poor DNC.
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:41 AM
 
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If the press told people that curing cancer was bad in the long run and took a poll, most Americans would say finding a cure for cancer isn't really a good thing.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:00 AM
 
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"Americans by more than 2-1 say the killing of Iranian Gen. Qasem Soleimani has made the United States less safe, a nationwide USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds, amid broad concerns about the potential consequences ahead. A majority of those surveyed, by 52%-34%, called Trump's behavior with Iran "reckless.""

If a 52-34 majority think Trump is reckless, then they also think he's not fit for office. Bad news for Trump's reelection chances.

Wag the Dog: "By 47%-39%, those surveyed said Trump ordered the killing of Soleimani in an attempt to divert the focus from his impeachment." Given the poor reception by senators at the Iran briefing -- where evidence that Soleimani was an immenent threat was lacking -- the "wag the dog" theory moves from silly conspiracy theory to a plausible explanation.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ll/2835962001/
2 points. Where is the actual poll?


Being most people get their "news" from the alphabet TV shows, it is no surprise what they think.
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:07 AM
 
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Bingo.

You need to weigh the costs and benefits before going after every bad actor out there.
Have you considered the possibility that the Bush and Obama administrations were wrong in how they weighed the risks and benefits of killing Suleimani, and Trump is right.

Democratic Congresswoman Slotkin served as a CIA analyst in both previous administrations has this to say about Suleimani:

I cannot think of the rise of Shia militias without thinking of the rise of Qassem Suleimani. From almost immediately after our invasion, he started building relationships and alliances with some of the most radical Shia groups in Iraq, and systematically provided training, matériel, weapons, logistics, leadership guidance, and advice and counsel to the leadership of those organizations. .... Suleimani was responsible for training and equipping some of the most dangerous groups in Iraq that have killed American forces, American diplomats, American aid workers, and countless Iraqis.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...ssem-suleimani
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes, but everyone in the Middle East is pretty much orchestrating attacks on us because we're invading occupiers. But when you take out top national leadership figures, it does raise stakes of war quite dramatically.

And if you go by the simple rationale of "we should kill all the terrorists," then basically you're saying we have to go to war with the entire Middle East and permanently occupy it. Not exactly the Trumper rhetoric last week before this all locked up.

We could have left the guy alone and further exitest the region at not much loss. Not sure what's so much in it for us.

The other key difficulty is that now Iran's regional influence grows as Iraq now wants us out. Maybe that's a good thing. We should stop being imperialists at some point.
Yes.
Few people seem to realize WHY the "terrorists" have it out for us.
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Old 01-10-2020, 09:54 AM
 
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Yes.
Few people seem to realize WHY the "terrorists" have it out for us.

Maybe America's failed attempts at nation building in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya might have something to do with it?
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