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Old 01-27-2020, 12:42 PM
 
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Nah, this isn't hackery, Trump did something that is actually wrong and you have and he have to deal with the consequences. True, the left were itching at a chance to dig something up on him, and he delivered as anyone who knows what a clown he is suspected he would.
I don't have to deal with anything. I have to vote, period. So will everyone else and we will see how it turns out. Will it be worth all of this? I guess we'll see.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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He did because he got CAUGHT.

This speaks for itself.
They got the $$$

That's all that matters.

Drop the drama!
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:47 PM
 
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Why would anyone believe Bolton?
He's known for being bitter and petty, and Trump let him go.
That is all we need to know.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:48 PM
 
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They got the $$$

That's all that matters.

Drop the drama!
This is like arguing that a corrupt cop who pulls people over to demand a hefty bribe can claim "no harm, no foul" as long as the motorist is eventually released without payment because an honest officer fortuitously arrived on the scene.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:48 PM
 
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Why would anyone believe Bolton?
He's known for being bitter, and Trump let him go.
That is all we need to know.
Why would anyone believe Trump?
He is known for lying over 15000 times since becoming president.
That is all we need to know.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:49 PM
 
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Why would anyone believe Bolton?
He's known for being bitter, and Trump let him go.
That is all we need to know.
And here we go with the inevitable, transparent character assassination. I'm surprised it took this long, frankly.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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He did not deliver the aid "early" - that is an absurd and intellectually dishonest talking point. The aid was on the precipice of being released in July but he directed that it be held (delayed) until it was eventually released in September. Just because the delay did not extend beyond the drop-dead date on September 30 does not make it early.
The only date referenced in the National Defense Authorization Act, re: Ukraine, was "within fiscal year 2019." Literally no other date is mentioned relevant to that specific spending item. There is no other language for "as soon as possible" or "immediately upon passage of this bill"...nothing. Just "within fiscal year 2019."

The aid was required by the act to delivered within fiscal year 2019, and it was. In the world of "what can you prove with a verifiable fact" those two facts hold up pretty well to scrutiny. It is a subjective narrative that says the aid had to be released at some other point prior to Sep 30, but objectively, it simply is not the case. No law, rule or even precedent was broken by him delivering that aid on Sep 11.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:51 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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They got the $$$

That's all that matters.

Drop the drama!
No, it's not. IF the whistleblower hadn't intervened - Trump would still be trying to increase his election chances by way of withholding funds from Ukraine.

He'd still be d*cking around with foreign policy to aid HIMSELF and not this country. Of course he would and everyone with a brain knows it. He's used this office to enrich himself from Day 1. The ONLY reason he's not holding the next G7 at "Doral Golf Club" is because that was one bridge too for for Republicans.

But not before Mulvaney tried to convince the people that DORAL was the ONLY place possible - thus enriching DJT in the process.

Republican hypocrites would literally be SCREAMING if Obama had done any of this.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:52 PM
 
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The only date referenced in the National Defense Authorization Act, re: Ukraine, was "within fiscal year 2019." Literally no other date is mentioned relevant to that specific spending item. There is no other language for "as soon as possible" or "immediately upon passage of this bill"...nothing. Just "within fiscal year 2019."

The aid was required by the act to delivered within fiscal year 2019, and it was. In the world of "what can you prove with a verifiable fact" those two facts hold up pretty well to scrutiny. It is a subjective narrative that says the aid had to be released at some other point prior to Sep 30, but objectively, it simply is not the case. No law, rule or even precedent was broken by him delivering that aid on Sep 11.
Take up your issue with the GAO, because they disagree with your claim.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:54 PM
 
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No, it's not. IF the whistleblower hadn't intervened - Trump would still be trying to increase his election chances by way of withholding funds from Ukraine.
Objection - conjecture, no possible way the prosecution knows what would have happened in an alternate hypothetical future. Move to strike.

Objection sustained, jury will disregard.

You are basing guilt on a subjective analysis of what would have happened in a hypothetical alternate future. Sorry, that doesn't hold up to the burden of proof to prove guilt.
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He'd still be d*cking around with foreign policy to aid HIMSELF and not this country. Of course he would and everyone with a brain knows it.
See above.
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