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Old 02-10-2020, 02:22 PM
 
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If Biden had the power to dictate the remove Shokin, he had exactly the same power to dictate his replacement.
Again, where is there any, any evidence that he dictated the replacement?
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Old 02-10-2020, 02:26 PM
 
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Yep. The same Lutsenko that served prison time for corruption. That had no law degree. And did nothing to punish ANYONE in Burisma-not just Hunter. Shokin was removed because he was actually investigating and a threat to Burisma. His replacement was hand picked to ensure that there would be no accountability.
Shokin was lining his pockets. He wasn't actually investigating. In fact, when England froze Burisma's accounts, they requested paperwork from Shokin to support the actions they had taken, and were planning to take. But Shokin never sent the paperwork.

I appreciate the lovely conspiracy you are concocting, but you have zip foundation for that conspiracy.

Shokin was corrupt. Your eagerness to accept his version of events tells us that your partisanship is negating logic.
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Old 02-10-2020, 02:28 PM
 
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If Biden had the power to dictate the remove Shokin, he had exactly the same power to dictate his replacement.
You invented that out of thin air.
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Old 02-10-2020, 02:30 PM
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Location: California
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Yep. The same Lutsenko that served prison time for corruption. That had no law degree. And did nothing to punish ANYONE in Burisma-not just Hunter. Shokin was removed because he was actually investigating and a threat to Burisma. His replacement was hand picked to ensure that there would be no accountability.
Shokin was doing no such thing. This idea only existed in Russian propaganda until Rudy got wind of the idea from Parnas 2 years later.
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Shokin was lining his pockets. He wasn't actually investigating. In fact, when England froze Burisma's accounts, they requested paperwork from Shokin to support the actions they had taken, and were planning to take. But Shokin never sent the paperwork.

I appreciate the lovely conspiracy you are concocting, but you have zip foundation for that conspiracy.

Shokin was corrupt. Your eagerness to accept his version of events tells us that your partisanship is negating logic.
Still deflecting ah? Do you have any evidence that Shokin's replacement did anything different than Shokin? Did he do anything to actually investigate Burisma? To bring the corrupt leadership to justice?
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Old 02-11-2020, 04:33 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Still deflecting ah? Do you have any evidence that Shokin's replacement did anything different than Shokin? Did he do anything to actually investigate Burisma? To bring the corrupt leadership to justice?
As I said before - you figure this is the first time the US government has forced a foreign official out, only to have him/her replaced by someone just as bad or worse?

Doesn't stop us from doing it, though, does it?

Also the level of effectiveness of his successor has nothing to do with whether Shokin was good at his job, or whether Biden did anything wrong pressing for his removal. Stop deflecting.
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Old 02-11-2020, 04:51 AM
 
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No Burisma was not known as a corrupt company.

They were investigating one shareholder -- and that investigation had ended before Biden was asked ot sit on the board.

In fact the reason they asked Biden to sit on the board was to help 'clean up their image'.

It isn't only the Dems that say Shokin wasn't tough enough. There are bi-partisan letters urging the US govt. to take action against Shokin.

Other countries, global communities were all in on the 'deal'.
So they hired a guy just kicked out of the Navy for smoking crack?

That "one shareholder" was the owner, the guy who hired Biden.
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Old 02-11-2020, 04:57 AM
 
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Again, where is there any, any evidence that he dictated the replacement?
The fact his replacement was more corrupt does tend to question the stated motivation, and if not nefarious then the action was certainly negligent and incompetant.

Whats bothersome is the zeal democrats seem to have in dismissing an investigation into this. Its certainly relevant.
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Old 02-11-2020, 05:00 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The fact his replacement was more corrupt does tend to question the stated motivation, and if not nefarious then the action was certainly negligent and incompetant.

Whats bothersome is the zeal democrats seem to have in dismissing an investigation into this. Its certainly relevant.
Ahem....

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As I said before - you figure this is the first time the US government has forced a foreign official out, only to have him/her replaced by someone just as bad or worse?

Doesn't stop us from doing it, though, does it?

Also the level of effectiveness of his successor has nothing to do with whether Shokin was good at his job, or whether Biden did anything wrong pressing for his removal. Stop deflecting.
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Old 02-11-2020, 05:06 AM
 
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Shokin was fired. Lutsenko continued the investigation of Burisma. Lutsenko concluded that Hunter Biden wasn't guilty of anything.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/02/ex-ukr...-probe-report/
Stupid.

Hunter didnt do anything. All he did was enrich himself from the bribe Burismas owner paid to Joe Biden by employing Hunter. Its not a crime to accept a gift. You should be able to explain what the gift was for.

How come Lutsenko did not prosecute Burisma or its owner? That becomes the issue.
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