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Old 02-10-2020, 06:36 PM
 
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WW2 was a lot bigger than just Germany and Europe. It bears mentioning that the Axis powers also included Japan. And the Soviet Union was allied with Germany at the start. So, that was State Socialism. (Nazi Germany) communism ( Soviet Union) and imperialism ( Japan) representing the Axis alliance. Strange bedfellows.

Of course Hitler turned on Stalin and I have wondered how he would have handled Japan if he had won against Britain and the US. Even allied Germany and Japan could not have defeated the US on its own soil.

Unless of course the Axis powers developed the A bomb first. Even then delivering it onto US soil would have been a problem.

But the world would still be a much different place.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:30 PM
 
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WW2 was a lot bigger than just Germany and Europe. It bears mentioning that the Axis powers also included Japan. And the Soviet Union was allied with Germany at the start. So, that was State Socialism. (Nazi Germany) communism ( Soviet Union) and imperialism ( Japan) representing the Axis alliance. Strange bedfellows.

Of course Hitler turned on Stalin and I have wondered how he would have handled Japan if he had won against Britain and the US. Even allied Germany and Japan could not have defeated the US on its own soil.

Unless of course the Axis powers developed the A bomb first. Even then delivering it onto US soil would have been a problem.

But the world would still be a much different place.

the Axis had agreements but aside from Italy who probably drained Germany of power and of course the other minor characters the Axis did NOT plan and implement grand (world) strategy..Historians will tell you the Fascist Countries did NOT make good Partners only the Democracies did....The German planned for a short war with no heavy bombers and therefore the A-bomb was dropped as a project..even as late as 1944 had Hitler not ordered their new jet fighter Me 262 to be a bomber instead of a fighter it might have been possible to halt the Allied bombing..Hitlers intervention with Military affairs helped the Allies a lot
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:36 PM
 
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WW2 was a lot bigger than just Germany and Europe. It bears mentioning that the Axis powers also included Japan. And the Soviet Union was allied with Germany at the start. So, that was State Socialism. (Nazi Germany) communism ( Soviet Union) and imperialism ( Japan) representing the Axis alliance. Strange bedfellows.

Of course Hitler turned on Stalin and I have wondered how he would have handled Japan if he had won against Britain and the US. Even allied Germany and Japan could not have defeated the US on its own soil.

Unless of course the Axis powers developed the A bomb first. Even then delivering it onto US soil would have been a problem.

But the world would still be a much different place.
Churchill said that when he heard that Japan had attacked America, he slept peacefully because he knew that England would survive. He knew that the British Empire and the Soviet Union, coupled with the industrial capacity of the United States over the long term could not be defeated.
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Old 02-10-2020, 08:03 PM
 
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Churchill said that when he heard that Japan had attacked America, he slept peacefully because he knew that England would survive. He knew that the British Empire and the Soviet Union, coupled with the industrial capacity of the United States over the long term could not be defeated.
the japanese Army had had ten years to defeat China and was stalled giving the Navy faction a sayso the Navy could have simply attacked the undefended European colonies and NOT the Philippines and Hawaii


avoiding war and stockpiling raw resources for some time...with the increasingly dangerous confrontations in the Atlantic FDR would have been hard pressed to let the U-boats keep attacking US ships
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:09 PM
 
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WW2 --- we saw. we went, we kicked butt. The last time the u.s. has done that in the history of this country and its wars.
The majority of the "butt kicking" was done by the Russians.
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:18 PM
 
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The majority of the "butt kicking" was done by the Russians.
And at a staggering cost.
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:36 PM
 
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WW2 was a lot bigger than just Germany and Europe. It bears mentioning that the Axis powers also included Japan. And the Soviet Union was allied with Germany at the start. So, that was State Socialism. (Nazi Germany) communism ( Soviet Union) and imperialism ( Japan) representing the Axis alliance. Strange bedfellows.

Of course Hitler turned on Stalin and I have wondered how he would have handled Japan if he had won against Britain and the US. Even allied Germany and Japan could not have defeated the US on its own soil.

Unless of course the Axis powers developed the A bomb first. Even then delivering it onto US soil would have been a problem.

But the world would still be a much different place.
The USSR and Germany were not allied with each other. the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a non-aggression treaty.

Soviets knew going into the late 30's Hitler had a dire hatred for the Soviets, Hitler was very public about this as well. The Soviets made all attempts to delay what they knew what was going to occur, a war (delay because the Red Terror wiped a lot of the military out). This Pact was one of the delay strategies, but fully knowing Hitler has violated every non-aggression pact it entered into.

The Winter War was part of the strategy, enlarging the territory around St. Petersburg, at the time not only a large city, but a strategic area. The Polish invasion was part of this strategy, not only taking the territory Poland annexed when it invaded the USSR, but also to add the buffer. The Soviets requested a few times to station its troops in Poland to provide a buffer for a German, attack, Poland of course refused, being hostilities between the two (Imperial Russia included), dated back hundreds of years.

The Soviets also entered into a neutrality pact with Japan, which the Soviets canceled as agreed to during the Yalta Conference and invaded Japanese held areas.
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:03 PM
 
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Yes - but Jews were “charged” exorbitant amounts for a departure permit, basically almost all they had

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Well...

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The Haavara (Transfer) Agreement, negotiated by Eliezer Hoofein, director of the Anglo-Palestine Bank, was agreed to by the Reich Economics Ministry in 1933, and continued, with declining German government support, until it was wound up in 1939. Under the agreement, Jews emigrating from Germany could use their assets to purchase German-manufactured goods for export, thus salvaging their personal assets during emigration. The agreement provided a substantial export market for German factories to British-ruled Palestine. Between November, 1933, and 31 December 1937, 77,800,000 Reichmarks, or $22,500,000, (values in 1938 currency) worth of goods were exported to Jewish businesses in Palestine under the program. By the time the program ended with the start of World War II, the total had risen to 105,000,000 marks (about $35,000,000, 1939 values)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
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Old 02-11-2020, 06:04 AM
 
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Did Hitler allow Jews to leave at some point to palestine and other countries before the war?
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Yes - but Jews were “charged” exorbitant amounts for a departure permit, basically almost all they had
Palestine and the USA as far as I know had strict quotas about how many Jews were allowed in. So even if they had exit visas, it wasn't for them to get entry visas to Palestine and/or the USA.
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Old 02-11-2020, 06:19 AM
 
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WW2 --- we saw. we went, we kicked butt. The last time the u.s. has done that in the history of this country and its wars.
All by ourselves we did that?
We were able to do that because the Atlantic and Pacific oceans are better defensive barriers than the Maginot line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II
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