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Old 02-15-2020, 06:26 PM
 
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The Nazis were not a leftist party.

Only an imbecile whose education is limited to perusing wingnut websites would make such a claim.
They were very much a leftist party. Moreover only progressives gravitate to the words Socialist and Workers Party.

Its leaders own words make clear he was a leftist.

You probably want to say Clinton and Obama are "right wing" too after they were roundly rejected by polite society after their rise to power.

Your post-Nuremberg playbook is getting pretty ratty around the edges.

 
Old 02-15-2020, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Yes it did. Only leftists are responsive to the words Socialist and Workers Party. Ever.
See Bureaucat's reply above. But no, your response still had nothing to do with what I said. I said:
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Nationalism is when people believe their political ideology is synonymous with their nation.
That has nothing to do with being responsive to the words socialist or worker's party. You pretty much made up a response that had nothing to do with what you were responding to.

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And National means Nationwide. Which is an antonym of Global.

A nationalist promotes sovereignty of nation, which is the antonym of globalist.
If one truly wanted to operate on an antonym of globalism, they would adhere to localism. The supremacy of the local city, county or at least state would take precedence over the needs of the nation. Trade with other cities, counties or states would be discouraged, and support of local businesses and institutions would be the end-all and be-all of all policy making.

Interestingly, this is precisely what many liberals (particularly of the eco/green persuasion) espouse. So they are even more pure in their anti-globalism than you.

In fact, we can take it a step further: The most local and anti-global entity is ... the individual. We can espouse a philosophy called "individualism" in which the needs, wants and rights of the individual take precedence over the needs, wants and rights of any entity larger than an individual (perhaps even the family).

It's too bad nationalists don't like individualism, either.

In the spectrum from globalism all the way down to individualism, nationalism is really just kind of in the middle, and there's nothing really special about it. If you truly wanted to be an anti-globalist, you would be an individualist.
 
Old 02-15-2020, 06:46 PM
 
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See Bureaucat's reply above. But no, your response still had nothing to do with what I said. I said:

That has nothing to do with being responsive to the words socialist or worker's party. You pretty much made up a response that had nothing to do with what you were responding to.


If one truly wanted to operate on an antonym of globalism, they would adhere to localism. The supremacy of the local city, county or at least state would take precedence over the needs of the nation. Trade with other cities, counties or states would be discouraged, and support of local businesses and institutions would be the end-all and be-all of all policy making.

Interestingly, this is precisely what many liberals (particularly of the eco/green persuasion) espouse. So they are even more pure in their anti-globalism than you.

In fact, we can take it a step further: The most local and anti-global entity is ... the individual. We can espouse a philosophy called "individualism" in which the needs, wants and rights of the individual take precedence over the needs, wants and rights of any entity larger than an individual (perhaps even the family).

It's too bad nationalists don't like individualism, either.

In the spectrum from globalism all the way down to individualism, nationalism is really just kind of in the middle, and there's nothing really special about it. If you truly wanted to be an anti-globalist, you would be an individualist.
Nationalists are all about individualism, unlike the ghoulish progressive left which everybody knows demands overarching borderless tyranny conducted by a globalist superstate.
 
Old 02-15-2020, 06:47 PM
 
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He says, "All that stuff, tradition and heritage, it's dead people's baggage." You agree?
 
Old 02-15-2020, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Nationalists are all about individualism...
Nothing could be farther from the truth than that.
 
Old 02-15-2020, 06:52 PM
 
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Nothing could be farther from the truth than that.
Leftists have no respect for national boundaries. Because they are globalists.
 
Old 02-15-2020, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Leftists have no respect for national boundaries. Because they are globalists.
Except that I just pointed out to you that many leftists are localists.
 
Old 02-15-2020, 07:04 PM
 
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They were very much a leftist party. Moreover only progressives gravitate to the words Socialist and Workers Party.

Its leaders own words make clear he was a leftist.

You probably want to say Clinton and Obama are "right wing" too after they were roundly rejected by polite society after their rise to power.

Your post-Nuremberg playbook is getting pretty ratty around the edges.
You need a basic college history course.

There are zero serious historians pushing this crap, only wingnut authors telling their readers what they want to hear.
 
Old 02-15-2020, 07:05 PM
 
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Except that I just pointed out to you that many leftists are localists.
Then they can localize their restrictions on guns and 'carbon,' and they can impose their health care neuroses locally. Which they won't, because of all their global demands on their neighbors that they conform to their leftist anxieties.
 
Old 02-15-2020, 07:08 PM
 
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You need a basic college history course.
You need to stop attempting to rewrite history.
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