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Old 02-23-2020, 09:13 PM
 
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Bernie just lost Florida by singing the praises of Fidel Castro on 60 Minutes tonight.

I was just reading comments from people that live in Florida, they are saying this is catastrophic for Bernie. Some are saying there is no recovering from this, that Bernie has no chance to win Florida in November.


https://twitter.com/DonnaShalala/sta...60466776657923
Sanders is a rabid ideologue. Not surprised by this.
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Old 02-23-2020, 09:28 PM
 
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Yeah thats basically the question here. We don't believe kids should be left behind with education right? Thats why there are public schools. It's beneficial for society, This is not just a left wing idea. Why is the same not applied to peoples health?
The difference is that the federal gov't doesn't run public school systems in the US.

In most states, the public schools are run by local townships and paid for via the property tax dollars who live in said township. Not the county, which includes more than one town/township.

We've already seen how the gov't runs VA care/hospitals (and every other program "it" is in charge of). No bueno.

Anecdotal: Friend of mine who lives in Virginia Beach, VA has Tricare insurance (military insurance). Early last June she was dx'd with a hernia that needed to get repaired. She tried to schedule her operation ASAP but due South American and Caribbean humanitarian crises? Her surgery was put off for 2 months - because so many doctors in her Tricare insurance network (in VAB, where she lives)...were about to deploy on the USNS Comfort to help OTHERS. She got her surgery mid- Aug., when a spot finally opened up.
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Old 02-23-2020, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Yes.

You, like most on the Left, need to learn how the concept of "rights" are defined.

Nothing that requires someone else to provide their labor to you can be defined as a "right".

You have no right to someone else's labor.

You can only have a "right" to that which you can provide for yourself.

You have a "right" to seek that which you can obtain, without interference from another.

If healthcare was a "right" then you could pull any doctor out of his home in the middle of the night and demand that he treat you, right then and there.

And that's not the way it works.
So the way it should work with you is that poor sick people should die of their illnesses to serve as a warning to other poor people to be responsible enough to get decent paying jobs to cover their medical care or else they, too will end up dying?
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Old 02-23-2020, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Millionaires and Billionaires will leave.

Or find multitudes of ways to hide or otherwise avoid paying more taxes.

Then who will Bernie raise taxes on?


I'd have more respect for Bernie if he were advocating price and wage controls on the medical and pharmaceutical industry than simply arguing that we need to raise taxes to pay for that which is already insanely expensive.
If I was a millionaire or billionaire I would not leave the country.


President Nixon tried controls but they did not work.
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Old 02-23-2020, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Simple.

Because we don't buy that it will actually benefit the country.

We see it as yet another wealth redistribution scheme.

We'd prefer to have our healthcare system back the way it was before Obama and the Democrats set it on fire and drove it off a cliff.
LOL, Most people are not even on ObamaCare.
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Old 02-23-2020, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The difference between Bernie and other far left Democrats is his frequent praise of communist and non democratic socialist nations like the USSR, Venezuela, etc. His proposals are also further left than anything in Western Europe. It goes beyond everyone having health coverage.
So to you Medicare in America is too far left and communist as it is now?
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Old 02-23-2020, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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"Universal healthcare" means that people who are deadbeats and too lazy to work will be provided free healthcare by hardworking and productive people. Very un-American.

Anybody of working age who wants good healthcare needs to get a good job with benefits and stay in it.

Not in more and more places now. With high deductibles for companies to afford to get healthcare. There can be a $5000 deductible to pay out of pocket before the benefits even kick in. Thats annually. The following year, that starts over again.
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Old 02-23-2020, 10:09 PM
 
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So the way it should work with you is that poor sick people should die of their illnesses to serve as a warning to other poor people to be responsible enough to get decent paying jobs to cover their medical care or else they, too will end up dying?
Yes. Better that than a nation of thieves. If you are poor and sick, ask for help. You don’t get to demand it, and steal it. And makes slaves out of health care workers.
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Old 02-23-2020, 10:14 PM
 
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Not in more and more places now. With high deductibles for companies to afford to get healthcare. There can be a $5000 deductible to pay out of pocket before the benefits even kick in. Thats annually. The following year, that starts over again.
Yes, and those deductibles are necessary because of the State screwing with the medical profession and insurance companies over many years. It only gets worse with single payer.

And by the way, high deductible health plans are paired with an HSA that you can contribute to with pre-tax dollars and they will pay your deductible. And, you can also put your HSA money in investments so it earns money over time. After 3 or 4 years, you never have to worry about yearly deductibles again. You will have tens of thousands in a few years in your Health Savings Account and if you don’t get some horrible disease, it becomes part of your retirement nest egg in later years.
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Old 02-23-2020, 10:16 PM
 
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So the way it should work with you is that poor sick people should die of their illnesses to serve as a warning to other poor people to be responsible enough to get decent paying jobs to cover their medical care or else they, too will end up dying?
Why don't they have Medicaid?

Couldn't be responsible enough to sign up for it?

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LOL, Most people are not even on ObamaCare.
Why is that?

When it was supposed to be such a great thing?

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So to you Medicare in America is too far left and communist as it is now?
Medicare "for all", AKA Bernie and every other idiot dem running for 2020 POTUS election who spews the same BS... is absolutely a "too far left and communist" joke and a half.

Who is going to pay for it? Not the top earners - every penny they make over a certain amount is already earmarked for every other socialist program Bernie and his fellow commies/socialists can think of.

So when the top earners, and what they pay in, isn't enough, the bar will be lowered, and lowered again & again & again...until it hits home (the middle class and lower).

Just like how Obama was only going to "tax the rich" - and the moron decided that $250,001.00 was "rich".

That's not "rich" in NY/NJ/CT.
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