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Old 04-24-2008, 09:52 AM
 
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US Federal / Local Government + US Federal Reserve + Government-controlled multinational companies + US Government Contractors = Big Government.

Small businesses like mine are powerless, citizens are crushed under taxes, loans, and their vote is useless since unelected bureaucrats, elites and businessmen run the country.
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:03 AM
 
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In 1900, America was capitalist. Big corporations belonged to private interests and there was no central bank. Now big government has taken over.

Bye bye capitalism. Welcome socialism and government planned economy.
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:07 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Bye bye capitalism. Welcome socialism and government planned economy.
Capitalists don't use any business plans?
It seems that both capitalism and communism will always suffer from red tape.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Don't forget the black heliocopters.

Yeah 90+% of economic activity in this country is private sector, even in the financial industry with your demon, the Fed. BTW what advanced economy doesn't have a central bank?
Ah, black helicopters...the government apologist's battle cry.

Frank seeks $300 billion for FHA foreclosure-prevention help - MarketWatch

Executive Order 6102 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nixon Imposes Wage and Price Controls

Liberty Dollar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But I guess these are just black helicopter theories and none of this stuff actually happened?

Central banks are acceptable, WHEN the government is involved as little as possible. The charter never called for Bush/Paulson to say "we're working together on a solution". They are NOT supposed to be working together. The Fed is chartered to maintain monetary policy, not to bail out markets or answer questions on governemnt proposals to socialize the doomed housing market.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The Federal Reserve is there to protect the system of corporate welfare it created.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Originally Posted by Frenchman Capitalists don't use any business plans?
It seems that both capitalism and communism will always suffer from red tape.
True capitalism rarely suffers from red tape. That is, capitalism promotes the restriction of such bureaucracy whenever possible to maximize profits.

Government, bloodsucking trial lawyers, and parasite lobbyists are to capitalism what 7Up is to caffeine.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:26 PM
 
Location: PA
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US Federal / Local Government + US Federal Reserve + Government-controlled multinational companies + US Government Contractors = Big Government.

Small businesses like mine are powerless, citizens are crushed under taxes, loans, and their vote is useless since unelected bureaucrats, elites and businessmen run the country.
Which is my point where Big Government gives the corruption and power to destory our constitution and the individuals rights.

I will quote Thomas Jefferson because I believe this is what has happened to our country. This is the Federal Reserve System.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to
control the issue of their money, first by inflation
and then by deflation, the banks and corporations
that will grow up around them (around the banks),
will deprive the people of their property until their
children will wake up homeless on the continent
their fathers conquered."
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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In 1900, America was capitalist. Big corporations belonged to private interests and there was no central bank. Now big government has taken over.

Bye bye capitalism. Welcome socialism and government planned economy.
Oh and things are so much worse than in 1900.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:39 PM
 
Location: PA
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Ah, black helicopters...the government apologist's battle cry.

Frank seeks $300 billion for FHA foreclosure-prevention help - MarketWatch

Executive Order 6102 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nixon Imposes Wage and Price Controls

Liberty Dollar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But I guess these are just black helicopter theories and none of this stuff actually happened?

Central banks are acceptable, WHEN the government is involved as little as possible. The charter never called for Bush/Paulson to say "we're working together on a solution". They are NOT supposed to be working together. The Fed is chartered to maintain monetary policy, not to bail out markets or answer questions on governemnt proposals to socialize the doomed housing market.


Central banks should not be printing money for the treasury so the government can pay interest to the bank to print the money the US treasury can do interest free.
When the dollar was backed by gold that money was printed by the treasury department and was account for. No interest was paid since printing money on gold value was owned by the Us government. We are spending to much money because the banks will loan us money at interest. Government is out of control because the have no limit on how much money the central bank gives them. Government spends money it doesnt have, but that doesn't stop them the central bank lets them borrow and if that doesnt work government will just tax the people. That is the problem with a central bank, private banks making money and interest off the Us government money they should have printed for FREE. Private banks get rich, the government over spendings and our nation is in debt and the value of the dollar is worth 4cents of the dollar in 1913.
The only people winning in this are corporations, private banks and big government policies. Who loses the people do, the dollar buys you nothing, the government is to big and your jobs go overseas and they tax you to pay for the corruption.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Ah, black helicopters...the government apologist's battle cry.

Frank seeks $300 billion for FHA foreclosure-prevention help - MarketWatch

Executive Order 6102 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nixon Imposes Wage and Price Controls

Liberty Dollar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But I guess these are just black helicopter theories and none of this stuff actually happened?

Central banks are acceptable, WHEN the government is involved as little as possible. The charter never called for Bush/Paulson to say "we're working together on a solution". They are NOT supposed to be working together. The Fed is chartered to maintain monetary policy, not to bail out markets or answer questions on governemnt proposals to socialize the doomed housing market.
I think the Fed and the Treasury, if you're talking Paulson, do pretty much what our elected representative tell them to do.

With all the moaning and groaning, some over things 50 years ago and since repealed, the economy of the US is still 90+% capitalistic. The market capitalization of private, publicly traded American firms is about $150 Trillion. That dwarfs the government. Get a grip.
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