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Old 04-24-2008, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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Somali pirates find booming business - Africa - MSNBC.com

What should be done with them?

I think this right here describes the problem we face

"They have weapons, but so do we. And we are the ones with the human shields," he said, noting that troops are loath to use force because it risks harming hostages.

Shoot right thru the human shields? After doing that a few times, I think they would lose their cockiness.
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Old 04-24-2008, 07:57 AM
 
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When I was in the military (18 years ago), some pirates snuck on board a US navy vessel in the Malacha Straits, tied up the captian and looted it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:02 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Same thing that has always been done with pirates.

You kill them wherever they are found.
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:03 AM
 
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Somali pirates find booming business - Africa - MSNBC.com

What should be done with them?

I think this right here describes the problem we face

"They have weapons, but so do we. And we are the ones with the human shields," he said, noting that troops are loath to use force because it risks harming hostages.

Shoot right thru the human shields? After doing that a few times, I think they would lose their cockiness.
We could put some snipers on the ships and shoot right past the human shields. We could buzz them with a Navy fighter and shoot all around them as a warning. Finally, and sadly, blow up the boat.
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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We could put some snipers on the ships and shoot right past the human shields. We could buzz them with a Navy fighter and shoot all around them as a warning. Finally, and sadly, blow up the boat.
You volunteering your relatives to be the hostages on the boat?
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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When, what ship?

I cannot (unfortunately I actually can) imagine a US Navy ship being taken by pirates and the pirates surviving. After all the USS Cole was blown up because somebody didn’t order the gunners to sink a suspicious boat.


When I was in ‘Nam our ship had machine gunners stationed with their 50’s one pull from being loaded. They were told to contact the bridge if they spotted anything suspicious and request permission to fire. If given permission they were supposed to keep firing until the suspicious object (boat, swimmwr, floating coconut, mine) was destroyed. I have a hard time thinking these elemental precautions have been forgotten.

The open sea and some narrow seas are not and never have been secure places. The law allows for a ship, commercial or military, to tell a potential threat to stand off and if they do not, to sink them. A Captain must never allow his ship to be taken by pirates because of his compassion or consideration of anything but his ship and his crew.
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:31 AM
 
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You volunteering your relatives to be the hostages on the boat?
No, but I would not volunteer them to be on the boat the pirates were coming for either.
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:56 AM
 
Location: South Central PA
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We need more pirates in the world to combat global warming.

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You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.
Graph of world wide temperature vs number of pirates

Evidence between somalia having pirates and low carbon emissions (broken link)
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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When, what ship?

I cannot (unfortunately I actually can) imagine a US Navy ship being taken by pirates and the pirates surviving. After all the USS Cole was blown up because somebody didn’t order the gunners to sink a suspicious boat.

When I was in ‘Nam our ship had machine gunners stationed with their 50’s one pull from being loaded. They were told to contact the bridge if they spotted anything suspicious and request permission to fire. If given permission they were supposed to keep firing until the suspicious object (boat, swimmwr, floating coconut, mine) was destroyed. I have a hard time thinking these elemental precautions have been forgotten.

The open sea and some narrow seas are not and never have been secure places. The law allows for a ship, commercial or military, to tell a potential threat to stand off and if they do not, to sink them. A Captain must never allow his ship to be taken by pirates because of his compassion or consideration of anything but his ship and his crew.
The story seems far fetched, but maybe it was a civilian ship under Navy contract. Notice he didn't say "warship."
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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If pirates are becoming a threat, then civilian ships will have to be armed or escorted. The same logic that applies to a civilian carrying a personal firearm applies to a civilian ship in pirate infested waters. Always be alert, aware and armed if there is any possibility of assault.

There is no excuse for a warship to ever be taken by pirates.
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