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Old 03-23-2020, 10:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by SuperSoul View Post
The coronavirus has existed for a long time. It’s nothing new, so of course many who get tested positive for coronavirus (common cold etc) may freak out if they don’t realize it isn’t the same as the specific COVID-19.
I stopped at "the coronavirus".

Please. Be informed. 10% of 80 year olds don't die from one round of the common cold.

 
Old 03-23-2020, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Originally Posted by SuperSoul View Post
Take common sense health precautions, but don’t let biased news scare you.

Consider these facts:

1) Some panic from biased reporting on Italy being overwhelmed - but they leave out important facts. In the last 2 decades, Italy has drastically reduced hospitals & beds (from 268,057 to 192,548), they have an unusually high elderly population & the vast majority of coronavirus deaths had pre-existing diseases.

2) COVID-19 is likely over-reported. “Coronavirus, according to Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, is a part of all viruses, and 8% to 15% of viruses are coronavirus, so that will show up in testing. This is especially the case when testing the already sick and dying, the old and infirmed, and this kind of testing would be far different than random population tests. In other words, if testing is set up to test sick people, up to 15% will show coronavirus.”

3) Government orders & ordinances have been passed that say those who gather in groups greater than 10 may be arrested. Not only is this violating US Constitutional 1st amendment rights, Congress is meeting this week & so are other government groups of +10. If this were so essential, they wouldn’t congregate either, but they are. They make rules but only expect “commoners” to follow them?

4) Each year, the seasonal flu kills way more than this coronavirus, and most survive fine without panic.
2019-2020 US deaths:
Seasonal flu: 59,000
Coronavirus: 414

These are the facts. Supporting links below.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...beds-in-italy/
https://healthfully.com/types-of-hum...s-4616810.html
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...beds-in-italy/
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

Are there ulterior motives for this over-the top reactions to coronavirus?
If so, what are they?
Wodarg is a German leftist politician with a medical degree. He is not an expert and his remarks have been widely criticized and discredited.
 
Old 03-23-2020, 10:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by SuperSoul View Post
Take common sense health precautions, but don’t let biased news scare you.

Consider these facts:

1) Some panic from biased reporting on Italy being overwhelmed - but they leave out important facts. In the last 2 decades, Italy has drastically reduced hospitals & beds (from 268,057 to 192,548), they have an unusually high elderly population & the vast majority of coronavirus deaths had pre-existing diseases.

2) COVID-19 is likely over-reported. “Coronavirus, according to Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, is a part of all viruses, and 8% to 15% of viruses are coronavirus, so that will show up in testing. This is especially the case when testing the already sick and dying, the old and infirmed, and this kind of testing would be far different than random population tests. In other words, if testing is set up to test sick people, up to 15% will show coronavirus.”

3) Government orders & ordinances have been passed that say those who gather in groups greater than 10 may be arrested. Not only is this violating US Constitutional 1st amendment rights, Congress is meeting this week & so are other government groups of +10. If this were so essential, they wouldn’t congregate either, but they are. They make rules but only expect “commoners” to follow them?

4) Each year, the seasonal flu kills way more than this coronavirus, and most survive fine without panic.
2019-2020 US deaths:
Seasonal flu: 59,000
Coronavirus: 414

These are the facts. Supporting links below.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...beds-in-italy/
https://healthfully.com/types-of-hum...s-4616810.html
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...beds-in-italy/
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

Are there ulterior motives for this over-the top reactions to coronavirus?
If so, what are they?
Oops, 75 more people died while you were writing this.

That's the thing about exponential growth. The threat looks negligible until its too late.

I will continue to trust epidemiologists over random forum posters.

Oops, 1 more person died while I was writing this. Now we are at +76.
 
Old 03-23-2020, 10:55 AM
 
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This is disturbing.

I feel for Trump and friends but we can't hide the facts under the carpet. It's ugly. They are going to be limited to how they can help us, fix it. But when they start to hide things, it creates even more concern insecurity, doubt, lack of trust.

The S.C. Department of Employment and Workforce confirmed Friday that federal officials advised the state not to release hard numbers on how many people were filing new unemployment claims this week as businesses laid off hundreds and the state’s economy contracted due to the coronavirus pandemic.
Moderator cut: off topic/trolling

Now he and his friends don't want to tell us they are going to bail themselves out. His net worth right at the moment is probably negative - after all, what would you pay right now for the Trump hotel in Vegas? Remember, there are loans against all this stuff.
 
Old 03-23-2020, 10:57 AM
 
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Oops, 75 more people died while you were writing this.

That's the thing about exponential growth. The threat looks negligible until its too late.

I will continue to trust epidemiologists over random forum posters.

Oops, 1 more person died while I was writing this. Now we are at +76.
3 more deaths reported today in less than 5 minutes since I wrote the last post >> +79.

At what point does it become "serious"? I need someone with a crystal ball to tell me please.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
 
Old 03-23-2020, 10:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by SuperSoul View Post
Take common sense health precautions, but don’t let biased news scare you.

Consider these facts:

1) Some panic from biased reporting on Italy being overwhelmed - but they leave out important facts. In the last 2 decades, Italy has drastically reduced hospitals & beds (from 268,057 to 192,548), they have an unusually high elderly population & the vast majority of coronavirus deaths had pre-existing diseases.

2) COVID-19 is likely over-reported. “Coronavirus, according to Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, is a part of all viruses, and 8% to 15% of viruses are coronavirus, so that will show up in testing. This is especially the case when testing the already sick and dying, the old and infirmed, and this kind of testing would be far different than random population tests. In other words, if testing is set up to test sick people, up to 15% will show coronavirus.”

3) Government orders & ordinances have been passed that say those who gather in groups greater than 10 may be arrested. Not only is this violating US Constitutional 1st amendment rights, Congress is meeting this week & so are other government groups of +10. If this were so essential, they wouldn’t congregate either, but they are. They make rules but only expect “commoners” to follow them?

4) Each year, the seasonal flu kills way more than this coronavirus, and most survive fine without panic.
2019-2020 US deaths:
Seasonal flu: 59,000
Coronavirus: 414

These are the facts. Supporting links below.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...beds-in-italy/
https://healthfully.com/types-of-hum...s-4616810.html
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...beds-in-italy/
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

Are there ulterior motives for this over-the top reactions to coronavirus?
If so, what are they?
So far 40k Americans have been infected. Expect next week to see 80K Americans being infected. By next week the U.S will surpass China in total infection. Also the deathrate for Covid-19 is low. We can expect the deathrate to be similar to that of seasonal yearly flu or if not lower, or slightly higher.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
 
Old 03-23-2020, 11:00 AM
 
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3 more deaths reported today in less than 5 minutes since I wrote the last post >> +79.

At what point does it become "serious"? I need someone with a crystal ball to tell me please.
I've been refreshing the COVID-19 map every half hour and the numbers are growing exponentially, just like all the experts predicted. We're starting to climb quickly now.
 
Old 03-23-2020, 11:02 AM
 
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So far 40k Americans have been infected. Expect next week to see 80K Americans being infected. By next week the U.S will surpass China in total infection. Also the deathrate for Covid-19 is low. We can expect the deathrate to be similar to that of seasonal yearly flu or if not lower, or slightly higher.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
About 30 million get the flu ever year, and around 30,000 - 60,000 die. So while people are crying over the 400 people (out of 340 million) who have died from coronavirus, more than that have died from the flu. Why no concern for them?
 
Old 03-23-2020, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Originally Posted by Checkmarkblue View Post
So far 40k Americans have been infected. Expect next week to see 80K Americans being infected. By next week the U.S will surpass China in total infection. Also the deathrate for Covid-19 is low. We can expect the deathrate to be similar to that of seasonal yearly flu or if not lower, or slightly higher.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Because of the Trump admin's botched testing in the past and now with serological testing of the population for previous exposure, we have no idea what the death rate is. We only know the mortality rate among diagnosed people.
 
Old 03-23-2020, 11:13 AM
 
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Allegedly Trump is looking to lift social distancing thinking it will help the economy. Yeah, right. It will just raise the curve. What an idiot...

The biggest takeaway after this is over will be Trump's one foot in, one foot out approach. He is currently freaking out that 30% unemployment and crashing GDP will make it impossible to be reelected.



Watch Fauci resign if Trump lifts his social distancing rules.
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