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What if Covid contributed to the death but the person was already teetering?
40-somethings with underlying conditions, aren't necessarily teetering on the brink of death. If I push an old lady with Alzheimer's off a cliff was she murdered or died a "natural" death?
The "It'S JuSt ThE fLu br01!" people are looking more deranged everyday.
Influenza and pneumonia have been a top ten cause of death since forever.
The Covid-19 seems to be a particularly more deadly version of Corona.
This forum and the world at large demonstrate there is no shortage of people who persist with Covid-19 being no more fatal than seasonal flu and seem to deeply resent government’s shutting down schools and so called non- essential businesses. Some of them post to this forum.
The flu is the 8th leading cause of death, and it's not ever going away... But you'll never hear that from the media.
And the flu has a vaccine, and effective anti virals.
Once we have the same for covid19, it will become less of a risk.
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So much here hmm: "Flu and complications from the flu." No. The CDC does not know how many people die from the flu. They have a good idea - from models and so forth - but no real way to know. The official category there is Flu / Pneumonia. That's not Flu that Caused Pneumonia. Or Pneumonia, cuz flu. No. It's the outright additive combo, all flus plus all pneumonias, some of which - but far from all - are related. Take that as you want, but at no time does that number of deaths (say, 80K) = exclusively influenza virus. This info is right on the CDC website. We know that because people get pneumonia and die all year long - not just in flu season. Be that as it may...
Because of that - we don't really know how effective the flu vaccine is. We all know someone that got the flu despite the vaccine, and others that rarely get it, without the vaccine - so pretty clearly it's not 100% effective, nor is it 100% necessary. Lots of data there to sort. Bottom line, though: Doesn't hurt to get it. But don't bet your life on it.
Regarding today's real topic: Yep, it's 3rd. Moved ahead of accidents. Still behind Heart Disease and Cancer. Heart Disease kills about 2500 per day - so I expect Covid to move into first place soon. Maybe a week.
That is a real problem, and overstates the epidemic's casualties.
Nope, a COVID-19 death is rightly classified as a COVID-19 death. Other medical problems may be listed as contributing factors, but the person would not be dead if he had not had the viral infection, even if he would have died a month later from something else.
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Originally Posted by prospectheightsresident
As I understand things, the specifics behind labeling a death as being caused by Covid-19 are clear that Covid-19 may only be a contributing factor. As long as the CDC and others are transparent about that, I don't have a problem.
If it caused the death, say respiratory failure due to pneumonia due to COVID-19, then COVID-19 is the cause of death. The other medical problems are the contributing factors.
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Originally Posted by roodd279
So much here hmm: "Flu and complications from the flu." No. The CDC does not know how many people die from the flu. They have a good idea - from models and so forth - but no real way to know. The official category there is Flu / Pneumonia. That's not Flu that Caused Pneumonia. Or Pneumonia, cuz flu. No. It's the outright additive combo, all flus plus all pneumonias, some of which - but far from all - are related. Take that as you want, but at no time does that number of deaths (say, 80K) = exclusively influenza virus. This info is right on the CDC website. We know that because people get pneumonia and die all year long - not just in flu season. Be that as it may...
Because of that - we don't really know how effective the flu vaccine is. We all know someone that got the flu despite the vaccine, and others that rarely get it, without the vaccine - so pretty clearly it's not 100% effective, nor is it 100% necessary. Lots of data there to sort. Bottom line, though: Doesn't hurt to get it. But don't bet your life on it.
Regarding today's real topic: Yep, it's 3rd. Moved ahead of accidents. Still behind Heart Disease and Cancer. Heart Disease kills about 2500 per day - so I expect Covid to move into first place soon. Maybe a week.
CDC does estimate influenza deaths specifically, starting with laboratory confirmed cases. Here is how it is done.
It may be the 3rd leading cause of death at the moment, but it may well be the primary cause of Trump's defeat in November. "Who knew healthcare was so hard or that sooo... many people would die".
Sure, because Trump caused a worldwide pandemic...
From the article: "from a graph" and "could cause 500,000 deaths". I wonder if the Researcher is going to give us stock prices at the end of the year too?
Your answer to finding out without the media reporting it is to link to a media site?
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