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The trick is to not stay a low skilled factory worker your whole life and don't try to raise a family and buy a house until you've risen above that station.
Which is the way it always worked.
No it didn't.
Perhaps you should study history a bit more.
Low skill labor jobs provided a middle class living in America for decades.
That's not true. I would believe it if every American who was skilled in IT was fielding several job offers at once. The reality is that we have thousands of unemployed American citizen IT workers. Companies have even laid off their American staff and replaced them with H1-Bs. As you age, you will find yourself coming up against age discrimination. Don't think your job is secure. As long as the H1-B visa program is in existence, there may come a time when your company decides it can do things cheaper with H1-Bs. There is so much fraud in the program to the point where H1-Bs lie about their skillset and no one is checking. Google it. Not to mention that once Indians get in a position to hire, they blatantly discriminate against non-Indians. Right now, there are lawsuits out there regarding this issue.
The problem with your post is that IT != software.
IT labor markets are oversaturated and thus wages are comparatively low.
IT can be anything from help desk to server maintenance to network config to desktop/phone/computer configs. Those positions have lower barrier to entry.
Skilled software dev work is in a completely different skill and wage category.
There's very little that they make in China that we can't make here.
America has an abundance of natural resources.
Absolutely. If we're weak and ineffectual, it's by choice and laziness.
America has become weak and soft over the years, by choice. We can turn that around or continue our path. We now see where the current path has taken us--dependent on China to save the lives of Americans.
This doesn't happen in most labor markets. Why should software be any different?
If an H1B worker is educated and ready to hit the ground running and the other choice is an American who is not qualified for the position and requires a lot of on the job training to get going, no reasonable business owner (I am a business owner now) is going to take the second option.
Nothing is preventing Americans from stepping up and and retooling, and getting the education and training they need to show up to a position as a qualified candidate.
You've always had to be somewhat of a self starter to make it in America, and that hasn't changed.
There is so much naivete in your post. There are Americans who are "self starters" and are unemployed. Many have paid to get updated education.
You admit that you won't pay relocation costs. Nor will you offer any form (no matter how minor) of job training. You must be too young to realize there was a time when American companies would help with relocation costs and pay for their employees to get extra training.
Again, there is a lot of fraud in the H1-B program with fake resumes. Apparently, no one is checking applicants' credentials when it comes to getting the visa.
I didn't say hire someone who "needs a lot of training". Hire an older person who was deliberately displaced by an H1-B---a person who has spent time making sure their skills are updated. Is that good enough for you or would you demand proof such as a certificate?
The problem with your post is that IT != software.
IT labor markets are oversaturated and thus wages are comparatively low.
IT can be anything from help desk to server maintenance to network config to desktop/phone/computer configs. Those positions have lower barrier to entry.
Skilled software dev work is in a completely different skill and wage category.
If IT is "oversaturated" then we don't need any H1-Bs at all. Period.
Now...start a different thread if you want to continue this discussion.
At this point, I'm going to stick to the topic at hand. I suggest that you do, also.
There is so much naivete in your post. There are Americans who are "self starters" and are unemployed. Many have paid to get updated education.
You admit that you won't pay relocation costs. Nor will you offer any form (no matter how minor) of job training. You must be too young to realize there was a time when American companies would help with relocation costs and pay for their employees to get extra training.
Again, there is a lot of fraud in the H1-B program with fake resumes. Apparently, no one is checking applicants' credentials when it comes to getting the visa.
I didn't say hire someone who "needs a lot of training". Hire an older person who was deliberately displaced by an H1-B---a person who has spent time making sure their skills are updated. Is that good enough for you or would you demand proof such as a certificate?
Please don't call me naive if you do not work in the software industry, as you just displayed a lot of naivete in your post.
Certificates/resumes mean absolutely nothing when it comes to software.
They might be a useful filter to see if someone is completely full of **** before scheduling the interview, but deciding whether a candidate is qualified has absolutely nothing to do with pieces of paper.
Skilled software devs are still in very high demand because there are not enough of them, either native American or H1B.
It's nice to see more people finally seeing what a terrible idea it was to outsource virtually all manufacturing to China. If it'd been India, or Mexico, or the Philippines, or Indonesia, or Malaysia, at least that'd be an improvement. At least you're not dealing with a government who hates you and wants the USA to fail so they can become the undisputed world hegemon. But all outsourcing comes at a terrible price. When you make nothing, you are nothing. When the chips are down and you need supplies -- be it food, medical, military, technological, etc. -- if you don't make em, you can't have em in a crisis.
It's nice to see more people finally seeing what a terrible idea it was to outsource virtually all manufacturing to China. If it'd been India, or Mexico, or the Philippines, or Indonesia, or Malaysia, at least that'd be an improvement. At least you're not dealing with a government who hates you and wants the USA to fail so they can become the undisputed world hegemon. But all outsourcing comes at a terrible price. When you make nothing, you are nothing. When the chips are down and you need supplies -- be it food, medical, military, technological, etc. -- if you don't make em, you can't have em in a crisis.
godofthunder9010, respectfully, one of the best posts I've ever read.
Neither party, any more, nor less than, is responsible for giving our productive capacity to other countries. All in the name of better lifestyle - read cheap crap - and corporate profits.
Ross Perot is the only American who spoke of the reality.
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Originally Posted by self-made
At his press conference today, Cuomo said NY ordered 17,000 ventilators from China, but the order never came through.
He then said:
China is remarkably the repository for all of these orders--ventilators, PPE. It all goes back to China. Which long-term, we have to figure out why we wound up in this situationwhere we don't have the manufacturing capacity in this country. I understand the supply-chain issues; I understand the cost of manufacturing, but there's a public health reason, as we've all learned the hard way, why we need the capacity, in this country, to do this. But, anyway, it all comes back to China. [emphasis added]
While Cuomo's pointing fingers, he should save one for himself.
Liberals push for globalism ain't working so well in this Covid crisis, is it? America is literally depending on the country that started this crisis, China, to save Americans' lives.
It's come home to roost--globalism. We've done it to ourselves. Our dependence on China, and other countries, should end, now. America is only as strong and capable as its ability to protect and save itself.
Cut all ties with China. Bring back manufacturing to USA. We need the jobs and products that are made to our standards.
Made in USA!
Trump 2020!
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