Americas Death Toll Not So Bad... (stats, states, Australia, Georgia)

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd

If Trump and his team hadn't shut down things it could have been worse.

Yep, to his credit he went from " This is the new (Democrat Hoax)" to "shutting things down and keeping things from being worse" rather quickly.

[MJJersey]

The US is the second most traveled country in the world and we have far more people than the countries listed. Our death rate per case is average (about 2-3 percent).

Originally Posted by MJJersey

The US is the second most traveled country in the world and we have far more people than the countries listed. Our death rate per case is average (about 2-3 percent).

Not really! 5 of the 6 I listed are in the top 10 most traveled. And their pop. Tot. is slightly more than the US (5 million more). A lot of Chinese went to Europe during the Chinese New Year as well.

France #1
Spain #2
US #3
Italy #5
Germany #8
UK #10

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

So how do you feel we are doing compared to Europe?

Any reasonable comparison requires at least some similarity in exposure, medical technology and valid reporting of statistics which leaves the European countries as the best comparisons.

For arguments sake, let's even leave Italy and Spain out of it.

So what do you see in the data?

I see this -

Current deaths per million:

USA - 49
Denmark - 41
Portugal - 40
Austria - 33
Germany - 29
Liechtenstein - 26
Monaco - 26
Slovenia - 21
Norway - 20
Iceland - 18
Estonia - 18
Canada - 13
Romania - 13
Turkey - 11
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 11
Czechia - 10
Israel - 9
Serbia - 8
Finland - 8
Greece - 8
Albania - 8
Cyprus - 8
Hungary - 7
Lithuania - 6
Poland - 5
Croatia - 5
South Korea - 4
Armenia - 3
Bulgaria - 3
Australia - 2
Malaysia - 2
Philippines - 2
Belarus - 2
Latvia - 2
Singapore - 1
Ukraine - 1
Azerbaijan - 1
Georgia - 0.8
Japan - 0.7
Hong Kong - 0.5
New Zealand - 0.2

Is that enough?

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by MJJersey

The US is the second most traveled country in the world and we have far more people than the countries listed. Our death rate per case is average (about 2-3 percent).

I'd personally stay away from death rate per case and stick to death rate per 1mil population.

My rationale is:

1) It can be hard to get an accurate number that were actually infected given uneven testing and those that don't get sick enough to get tested. Comparing between countries could be really wonky using this.

2) If a country lets the disease spread freely and doesn't impose social distancing than those that will need distancing will still "stay away" which means that compared to another country they'd probably have more cases but in the portions of the population that covid is much less likely to kill thus skewing the death rate per case downward but still having the same deaths per 1mil of residents.

just my 2 cents and why I think that way.

[desertdetroiter]

Nah...our death toll is pretty bad. Embarrassing actually.

No way to put lipstick on this pig.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

I see this -

Current deaths per million:

USA - 49
Denmark - 41
Portugal - 40
Austria - 33
Germany - 29
Liechtenstein - 26
Monaco - 26
Slovenia - 21
Norway - 20
Iceland - 18
Estonia - 18
Canada - 13
Romania - 13
Turkey - 11
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 11
Czechia - 10
Israel - 9
Serbia - 8
Finland - 8
Greece - 8
Albania - 8
Cyprus - 8
Hungary - 7
Lithuania - 6
Poland - 5
Croatia - 5
South Korea - 4
Armenia - 3
Bulgaria - 3
Australia - 2
Malaysia - 2
Philippines - 2
Belarus - 2
Latvia - 2
Singapore - 1
Ukraine - 1
Azerbaijan - 1
Georgia - 0.8
Japan - 0.7
Hong Kong - 0.5
New Zealand - 0.2

Is that enough?

It's enough to know that you're being far less honest than the OP.

If I ever need someone to show a list of most all-time homeruns by a player and want to show Mark McGwire at the top I know where to go.

P.S. New Zealand is just barely outside of Europe which is the area I was discussing. Missed it my just a little bit but another *cough* honest error on your part.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

Nah...our death toll is pretty bad. Embarrassing actually.

No way to put lipstick on this pig.

Dang, all this time and I'd never realized you were Italian.

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

Nah...our death toll is pretty bad. Embarrassing actually.

No way to put lipstick on this pig.

It's a comparison. If we are bad then Western Europe is freaking terrible. Ok, no problem there but comparing us to them given our similar exposure then we are not doing to bad.

[Brave New World]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

Compared to the top 6 Countries in Europe as of today!

1) Italy - 18.5K
2) Spain - 15.5K
3) France - 11k
4) UK - 7k
5) Belgium - 2.5k
6) Germany - 2.5K

Total Approx. 57K dead for a population of 335 million compared to the USA 330 million with approx. 16k dead and almost half of those are in N.Y.

Also let's not forget that there have been more Flu deaths this season than COVID deaths.

Given our lack of preparedness we are not doing so bad compared to some places.

The picture in the US is dominated by New York, which alone accounts for over 7,000 deaths or nearly as many as the entire UK.

The latest mortality figures for New York were 799 dead taking the total to 7067, ,the latest for the entire UK was 881, taking the total to 7,978, although the growth rate is starting to flatten acorsing to experts.

As a whole the US has a fairly low death rate, and it's mainly restricted to certain areas of the country, however these pockets tend to have very high rates as a percentage of population, just as the Milan and the Lombrady region of Italy does or Madrid in Spain or Paris or London etc etc.

More than 7,000 people in New York have died for coronavirus - CNN