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Old 04-17-2020, 11:52 AM
 
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Even when states give the go-ahead to open America for business roughly half of people will still be wary of getting into crowds because of fear of asymptomatic people who could infect an entire roomful of attendees. We have to face it: things are not going to return to normal for the foreseeable future. Maybe the economy will get back to business as usual in 10 years with no outbreaks and people forget the horror of what we are enduring now. But for the next 5-10 years restaurants will be relying heavily on take-out, sports and movie houses will have to broadcast pay-per-view, hotels can probably operate normally but cruises I think will go bankrupt because of the bad publicity. Mom and pop businesses which make up the backbone of the economy in this country will have to provide masks and gloves for their employees, which is a fair trade-off for keeping workers safe. Education will be done largely at home. Even if school students are tested and vaccinated (assuming we even find a vaccination) they will still pick up the virus among non-school friends and bring it to schools. This will put millions of teachers out of a job, teachers who will have to get training in a new field, again assuming there are still institutes of learning that are even operating to train people. These are but a fraction of the problems our nation and the world face because of this virus from hell.

Such measures are the "new normal" in America and probably the world as we struggle to get back to some semblance of sanity.
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Old 04-17-2020, 12:22 PM
 
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going forward it should be consumers exercising preferences shaping the economy,not a state planned/command economy as we have now.

Oh and a real currency, not fiat currency that can be manipulated to the benefit of a very few.
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Old 04-17-2020, 12:49 PM
 
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going forward it should be consumers exercising preferences shaping the economy,not a state planned/command economy as we have now.

Oh and a real currency, not fiat currency that can be manipulated to the benefit of a very few.

I think given 8 BILLION people on this ball, the amount of currency being circulated and the limited amount of any precious metal to back a currency with, a "real" currency is an impossibility. It will always be a fiat currency, barring a catastrophe that wipes out 3-4 billion of us.
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Old 04-17-2020, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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going forward it should be consumers exercising preferences shaping the economy,not a state planned/command economy as we have now.

Oh and a real currency, not fiat currency that can be manipulated to the benefit of a very few.

Consumers decided long ago. They went long booze, weed, fast food and sex toys. And here we are today...
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Old 04-17-2020, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Even when states give the go-ahead to open America for business roughly half of people will still be wary of getting into crowds because of fear of asymptomatic people who could infect an entire roomful of attendees. We have to face it: things are not going to return to normal for the foreseeable future. Maybe the economy will get back to business as usual in 10 years with no outbreaks and people forget the horror of what we are enduring now. But for the next 5-10 years restaurants will be relying heavily on take-out, sports and movie houses will have to broadcast pay-per-view, hotels can probably operate normally but cruises I think will go bankrupt because of the bad publicity. Mom and pop businesses which make up the backbone of the economy in this country will have to provide masks and gloves for their employees, which is a fair trade-off for keeping workers safe. Education will be done largely at home. Even if school students are tested and vaccinated (assuming we even find a vaccination) they will still pick up the virus among non-school friends and bring it to schools. This will put millions of teachers out of a job, teachers who will have to get training in a new field, again assuming there are still institutes of learning that are even operating to train people. These are but a fraction of the problems our nation and the world face because of this virus from hell.

Such measures are the "new normal" in America and probably the world as we struggle to get back to some semblance of sanity.
Its a possibility many things will change- we have been out of balance for awhile!
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Old 04-17-2020, 01:07 PM
 
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going forward it should be consumers exercising preferences shaping the economy,not a state planned/command economy as we have now.

Oh and a real currency, not fiat currency that can be manipulated to the benefit of a very few.
You're going to be disappointed.

To me - it needs to be a mixture (with more influence towards what you stated), as neither extreme will work in reality.
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Old 04-17-2020, 04:04 PM
 
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I am of the thinking most people are not afraid and wish they can get back into crowds like two months ago.
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Old 04-17-2020, 04:12 PM
 
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UBI for age 50+ and high risk people to stay out of the workplace and programs to allow them to make life adjustments as a particularly at-risk population.
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Old 04-17-2020, 04:39 PM
 
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UBI for age 50+ and high risk people to stay out of the workplace and programs to allow them to make life adjustments as a particularly at-risk population.

I agree. One aspect of this phase-in has to be age groupings and behavioral risk factors. So kids engage in high risky behavior, that's just their nature. On the other hand, they are probably the most resistant group because of their age and stronger immune system. This one is a tough call. Theoretically, one kid who is asymptomatic can infect an entire school. But the group that should be the last to be let into society are seniors because they are the ones who will catch Coronavirus the easiest and clog up the medical system. This won't be easy.
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Old 04-17-2020, 05:08 PM
 
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I agree. One aspect of this phase-in has to be age groupings and behavioral risk factors. So kids engage in high risky behavior, that's just their nature. On the other hand, they are probably the most resistant group because of their age and stronger immune system. This one is a tough call. Theoretically, one kid who is asymptomatic can infect an entire school. But the group that should be the last to be let into society are seniors because they are the ones who will catch Coronavirus the easiest and clog up the medical system. This won't be easy.
Testing and antibody tests. Let's find out who has had it, maybe many children and young people have had it, or do have it and are simply unaffected. Of course we have to worry about them passing it to their parents (riskier) and grandparents (super risky). Yes the older people clog up the system the most.

It's is hard. If we open up, everyone goes out there to make up for lost time, and this thing picks up and catches fire, we're screwed.

I'm willing to stay home as much as possible, but not starve. I feel good but not a kid anymore and I have to work- I will be out there, my older friends who still have to work will be out there and some people will think businesses opening means it's all good to go and they won't take precautions.
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