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View Poll Results: Should police officers be held personally liable for violating peoples' constitutional rights?
Yes 38 66.67%
No 19 33.33%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-18-2020, 07:18 AM
 
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Are you really this dense?

The policeman do what they ARE ORDERED TO DO. I know a novel concept for some.
Here's a common oath that law enforcement officers take.

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"On my honor, I will never betray my badge, my integrity, my character or the public trust. I will always have the courage to hold myself and others accountable for our actions. I will always uphold the Constitution, my community, and the agency I serve."
I know, a novel concept for you, this whole bill of rights thing.
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Old 04-18-2020, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Boston
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people take their "rights" way too seriously, the government can take them away whenever they want in the interest of public safety/welfare and there's nothing you can do about it.
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Old 04-18-2020, 07:34 AM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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I rather like the idea of malpractice insurance for police. Much like what doctors and (some) other healthcare providers have, it should be incumbent on the individual officer to procure and pay for said insurance as well.


If an officer isn't on the up and up, he'll be sued. Repeatedly. Eventually, he will be uninsurable, and, thus, unemployable. Of course, this type of system would also have to mean qualified immunity goes away, which I'm also fine with (or at least being EXTREMELY curtailed and specified).
Excellent post.

Many professions have these types of insurance. Even Real Estate agents have to take "continuing education" classes to keep abreast of changes in federal/state laws and local legislation, as a condition of continued licensing. The biggest part of that typically concerns everybody's civil rights as it pertains to housing, and how to make certain that those rights are not trampled upon. On pain of severe legal and financial consequence.

Is it out of line to think that those charged with enforcing the "law" should have a constant review, and reminder of how to carry out their duties without violating the rights of those they are sworn to serve and protect?



CN
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Old 04-18-2020, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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No. They're upholding whatever the law is at the time. In other words, they're doing their jobs.
So it is their JOB to violate people's RIGHTS with absolutely NO RECOURSE? They are Royalty then?
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Old 04-18-2020, 08:59 AM
 
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No. They're upholding whatever the law is at the time. In other words, they're doing their jobs.
Except,many times they violate the law because they think they are above it.
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Old 04-18-2020, 09:12 AM
 
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We keep seeing story after story of cops arresting or threatening to arrest people for leaving their homes, going to the beach, walking their dogs, protesting, etc.
Anyone who recklessly and blatantly ignores pandemic orders should be arrested and fined. It's no different than drunk driving -- their careless actions endanger the lives of the community at large. And, yes, shelter in place, business shutdowns and social distancing laws are all 100% constitutional -- including closing gun shops and churches.
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Old 04-18-2020, 09:13 AM
 
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Anyone who recklessly and blatantly ignores pandemic orders should be arrested and fined. It's no different than drunk driving -- their careless actions endanger the lives of the community at large. And, yes, shelter in place, business shutdowns and social distancing laws are all 100% constitutional -- including closing gun shops and churches.
Lock them all in the gulag amirite comrade?


LOL people will tell you EXACTLY who they are if you let them.
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Old 04-18-2020, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Behind enemy lines
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Excellent post.

Many professions have these types of insurance. Even Real Estate agents have to take "continuing education" classes to keep abreast of changes in federal/state laws and local legislation, as a condition of continued licensing. The biggest part of that typically concerns everybody's civil rights as it pertains to housing, and how to make certain that those rights are not trampled upon. On pain of severe legal and financial consequence.

Is it out of line to think that those charged with enforcing the "law" should have a constant review, and reminder of how to carry out their duties without violating the rights of those they are sworn to serve and protect?


CN

For what it's worth, law enforcement is required to undergo continuing education (although the type and amount vary by state). In my state, it's 24 hours annually (this seems low, but isn't really out of line with professional certifications; I'm a paramedic and it requires 48 hours for each 2 year recertification period).
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Old 04-18-2020, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Police is an executive branch of the government.

If you have an issue with a law, bring it to your judicial and legislative branches.

Of course it is easier to target & blame cops because they are more visibly present than other branches.

I don't know why some posters think cops need more education when they themselves cannot distinguished differences between 3 branches of the government and their functions
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Old 04-18-2020, 01:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Police is an executive branch of the government.

If you have an issue with a law, bring it to your judicial and legislative branches.

Of course it is easier to target & blame cops because they are more visibly present than other branches.

I don't know why some posters think cops need more education when they themselves cannot distinguished differences between 3 branches of the government and their functions
What if "your judicial and legislative branches" say one thing while the Supreme Law of the Land says something different? Which one do you obey?
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