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Trump and his supporters have made hydroxychloroquine political.
Absolutely laughable....
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The studies are far less positive about its use than Trump is. We have never had a president decide he is also a medical expert.
And we still don't.
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Other president have relied on those with actual medical training.
As does trump.
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We have seen Trump supporting nurses say regardless of the negative outcomes cited by medical journals, they themselves have seen great results and calling Trump a hero for recommending it.
WOW, talk about politicizing something without backing it up...typical.
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That's how it became political. We may see post-presidency lawsuits as a result.
It started when it was mentioned, and the left wing rag msm went crazy politicizing it...
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Because of this, I would want to know the doctor's political affiliation before treatment.
Trump and his supporters have made hydroxychloroquine political. The studies are far less positive about its use than Trump is. We have never had a president decide he is also a medical expert. Other president have relied on those with actual medical training. We have seen Trump supporting nurses say regardless of the negative outcomes cited by medical journals, they themselves have seen great results and calling Trump a hero for recommending it. That's how it became political. We may see post-presidency lawsuits as a result.
Because of this, I would want to know the doctor's political affiliation before treatment.
At worst/best, both sides have made it political. In your view, the Republicans moreso; in mine, the Democrats and primarily their willingness and desire to oppose everything Trump. Maybe you see more "Trump is a genius having discovered HCQ!" posts. I see more "How dare he claim to be a medical expert and tell people to drink pool cleaner/drink bleach!"
The VA "study", the Lancet study, and perhaps a few others....those you can find all over CD and the MSM. The Lancet study is CLEARLY troubling in the desire to find SOMETHING that will be a therapeutic for COVID, and that it included a LARGE dataset. But the Lancet did not follow the patients, it followed the data.
But I do assume scientists would point out - just as they did when HCQ was first mentioned - "cannot be deemed effective until ACTUAL properly-done randomised studies are performed, and that takes > 12 months." There are studies announced right now (one on HC workers in UK) that say "we'll be following them for 12 months".
The NYU study, which showed favorable results and at 900 patients the largest behind the Lancet - none of the left like to talk about that one. MSM mentions are rare.
"NYU HCQ study" .... halfway down the 1st page, there's a Barron's link. At the bottom of the page - a WaPo link on the Lancet study.
Really? You'd go with a racist, corrupt candidate with early stages of dementia,
That is what we currently have the WH. Of course, it could be the syphilis talking.
Here's a sample:
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‘And I tested very positively in another sense, this morning. I tested positively toward negative, right? So I tested perfectly this morning. Meaning I tested negative. ... But that’s a way of saying it: positively toward the negative.’
It was on a podcast I was listening to (NYT, BBC, NPR), whether that result was a factor of the Rx or the patient, they didn't go into, just the part that I said: studies show a higher fatality rate with that med.
Now studies come and they go, and a bunch come to different conclusions, but that is what it is.
yeah see, I've heard that phrase for years, "studies show" and I'm not attacking you, just sayin, that it's an old stand by
what studies?
Who performed the studies?
where were the studies performed?
How long were the studies, months, years, ?
Oh God. I am pretty sure HCQ side effects which include cardiopulmonary issues are magnified with Covid-19. The likely Covid-19 patients to need HCQ are the ones in the hospitals are also having severe breathing issues. Think for yourself for a minute.
I don't believe in all patients cardiopulmonary is a factor while yes, it can logically be a side effects, not all side effects manifest themselves the same way in every patient...
yeah see, I've heard that phrase for years, "studies show" and I'm not attacking you, just sayin, that it's an old stand by
what studies?
Who performed the studies?
where were the studies performed?
How long were the studies, months, years, ?
We JUST had a whole discussion the study, with a link to the study itself. How in the world do you expect a year long study on a disease that has been around for less than 6 months?
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No. there are potential complications side effects with all medications.
Wouldn't you love to look thru the medicine cabinets of some of Trump's more vocal critics, to see what medications they have taken in the past, or are taking today, and chastise them for their pill popping risk taking.
This is just how pathetic the Trump-haters are; they'll criticize anything Trump does.
One has to take a lot of the claims with a grain of salt. Some that make those claims actually demonstrate that their medical knowledge is quite limited but their devotion to Trump is infinite.
Here's the results from a very recent study:
"For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias."
While a study published in the Lancet medical journal is nothing compared to the claims made by devoted Trump supporters; one has to choose who is actually correct.
Everyone is quick to jump on a report which validates their views on taking HCQ. If a study is not a controlled study, then it's just anecdotal, and subject to numerous errors and biased opinion.
For one thing, there is no money to be made in HCQ, since it's been around so long. There is a very large and very motivated lobbying group pushing new drugs, because that is where the big money is. So keep in mind that when you read reports like this one, ask yourself if they are being influenced by the almighty dollar, to trash existing drugs?
What looks very off to me in your article is that HCQ has been around for 65 years, it does not have a "37 percent increased risk of death and a 256 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias."
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