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You may both be missing a bit of the picture. In the IT world that I know, it's very hard indeed to find people for senior or even intermediate positions. Companies do what they can to entice them to stay. The guys with decades of technology and project experience, those who know how to maneuver inside their organizations, both technically and administratively - they're sought-after and well-compensated.
This is why good technologists get a compensation package of $400k-$600k (depending on location).
This is a common misconception. A few are mediocre and that causes people to generalize. Those that are not qualified are hired by foreign consulting companies that abuse the system. This needs to stop.
With a pool of 7 billion people to select qualified people, we're sure to fill our needs by taping the global population in order to remain an innovative and competitive nation. But the abuse by foreign companies need to stop.
There is some fraud in every government program, but that is the exception rather than the rule for most things and H1Bs are no different.
We don't cut off all poor people from receiving Medicaid just because there is some cheating in that program. We put resources into catching the cheaters.
You may both be missing a bit of the picture. In the IT world that I know, it's very hard indeed to find people for senior or even intermediate positions. Companies do what they can to entice them to stay. The guys with decades of technology and project experience, those who know how to maneuver inside their organizations, both technically and administratively - they're sought-after and well-compensated... So when we have an on-shore intermediate position to fill, we're very short on candidates. Unless we look overseas.
You really mean that it is hard to fill positions at the low wages that foreign help will accept than what you would otherwise pay to an equally qualified American.
You get what you pay for. Anyone who has ever spoken with great frustration and limited success to off shore tech support with a hard to understand foreign accent can attest to that. The home grown talent is here, you just won’t use it.
You can say that about any race. Race should not play a part in the hiring process. The only priority is whether someone is qualified and whether they can legally work here without additional paperwork needing to be filed (typically someone who has a green card or citizenship).
That's why wages for skilled tech positions are still so high. If the labor supply was greater, wages would lower.
Yes it is. Our experiences obviously differ. I am familiar with tech people who lost their jobs to off shore outfits and what used to take 20 minutes now takes 10 times that long to accomplish with the cheaper so-called “talent” not to mention the language and cultural difficulties frequently encountered.
That's why wages for skilled tech positions are still so high. If the labor supply was greater, wages would lower.
Yes it is here.
Did you google this issue? Did you read up on how Indians who are in a position to hire blatantly discriminate against non-Indians and that there are lawsuits out there concerning this issue?
The talent is there. Yet you ignore the fact that the H1-B is being used to displace Americans. If those Americans want to get their severance pay, then they are forced to train their H1-B replacements.
IIRC, you once said (in so many words) that you would never hire an American who had been laid off and needed a little boost to get his/her skills up to date. Nor would you offer relocation fees to a great applicant. You could do that and have them sign a contract that says if they leave the job after X number of years, they will have to pay back those fees. Would you offer unpaid internships to talented college students? Then when they graduate, they have a job waiting for them?
Or would you rather get a H1-B whose resume you've never seen? IOW, you have to trust that they were honest about their skills and education when they applied for a visa.
I'll post some links that anyone could have found if they really wanted to know what is going on:
Exhibit A in the abuse of H-1Bs was the case of Southern California Edison, which recently got rid of between 400 and 500 IT employees and replaced them with a smaller force of lower-paid workers brought in from overseas through the H-1B program. The original employees were making an average of about $110,000 a year, the committee heard; the replacements were brought to Southern California Edison by outsourcing firms that pay an average of between $65,000 and $75,000.
Big corporations and their lobbyists will often claim that there is a "shortage" of American STEM workers that necessitates an ever-growing number of "high-skill" visas, such as H-1B, L-1, and H4 EAD. This is absolutely false.
In fact, only about a third of natives with college degrees in STEM fields actually hold STEM jobs, meaning there are millions of Americans who could be recruited prior to turning to foreigners.1 Foreign-educated immigrants are also less-skilled than U.S. degree holders when it comes to tests on numeracy, literacy, and computer operations.2 Foreign-educated immigrants with a college or advanced degree perform at about the level of Americans with only a high school diploma, according to test scores.
Yes it is. Our experiences obviously differ. I am familiar with tech people who lost their jobs to off shore outfits and what used to take 20 minutes now takes 10 times that long to accomplish with the cheaper so-called “talent” not to mention the language and cultural difficulties frequently encountered.
^^^^This.
My husband is retired now but when he was working, he sometimes had to clean up messes made by H1-Bs. He recalled coming across a script written by an H1-B that took 8 hours to run. After my husband cleaned it up, it took 20 minutes to run.
I can't understand why some take great lengths to defend H1-Bs. SMH
Sure there are some who know what they are doing but they aren't needed here when we have Americans who can do those jobs.
Let them stay if they will work in a meat packing plant.
Sadly if thats the nly option, Indians will do that to stay. So dont come back whining that they have taken that jobs also.
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