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Old 05-03-2020, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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They weren't protesting against the virus. They were protesting against the government intruding on rights and using powers that have not been granted to it.
They are protesting this specific version of socialism. They want socialism as it stood on March 14th (or whenever the last day was before the first closure).

Color me unsympathetic to their plight.
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:20 PM
 
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They are protesting this specific version of socialism. They want socialism as it stood on March 14th (or whenever the last day was before the first closure).

Color me unsympathetic to their plight.
How so?
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:22 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Governors in many states have taken charge, why shouldn't that be the case whether its a hurricane or a pandemic. Does the senate leader want a vote on each action by the governor in Michigan, does that sound rational.

The senator never explained what specific action he wanted changed nor did you, does he want to allow everyone to go back to work. Things are very bad in many states but these protests in the middle of this are absurd.

So answer the question, what do you want the governor to do.
Follow the legislative process and put it to a vote --- is that so hard to do? Governors serve at the pleasure of the people. If Governors listen, it is not a hard job to do.
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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How so?
They weren't out there protesting all the government restrictions prior to that day.

You know, all min wage laws/all health codes/all safety codes/hours of operation laws, etc.

That's all socialism when the decrees come down from on high (aka sociopaths in ornate buildings downtown).

If they had any moral and logical consistency they would be protesting the government's infringement on all natural rights. Eventually that leads to protesting the existence of government and like all socialists these protesters aren't in the frame of mind. They just want socialism version March 14th instead of socialism May 3 (for example).

Look at the latest on the issue: Team Red wants the Blue governor to get approval from the legislature to extend the emergency declaration.

WTF?

Why does an involuntary third party with no skin in the game have such power to begin with?
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:27 PM
 
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They weren't out there protesting all the government restrictions prior to that day.

You know, all min wage laws/all health codes/all safety codes/hours of operation laws, etc.

That's all socialism when the decrees come down from on high (aka sociopaths in ornate buildings downtown).

If they had any moral and logical consistency they would be protesting the government's infringement on all natural rights. Eventually that leads to protesting the existence of government and like all socialists these protesters aren't in the frame of mind. They just want socialism version March 14th instead of socialism May 3 (for example).

Look at the latest on the issue: Team Red wants the Blue governor to get approval from the legislature to extend the emergency declaration.

WTF?

Why does an involuntary third party with no skin in the game have such power to begin with?
Yes, you are right. The US has lived under a form of socialism for the last several decades. People have gotten use to it or don't even realize it. However, does that in anyway mean that people cant decide that enough is enough?
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yes, you are right. The US has lived under a form of socialism for the last several decades. People have gotten use to it or don't even realize it. However, does that in anyway mean that people cant decide that enough is enough?
Enough is enough when the first right is violated.

Perceived size and scope and the connection you feel to the victim isn't the measure of an injustice. The measure of an injustice is in fact its existence...period.

Why should any politician listen to one of us peasants when you understand this paradigm?

People kept voting after the Whiskey Rebellion.

They kept voting after the Civil War.

They kept voting after the Federal Reserve creation in 1913.

They kept voting after FDR's socialist expansion.

They kept voting after LBJ's Great Society which cost billions and made society like a dirtier version of Mad Max.

They kept voting after Vietnam.

They kept voting after Iran-Contra.

They kept voting after 9-11 restrictions.

They kept voting after the 2008 bailouts.

They kept voting after Obama and Trump's drone strikes killed American children in Yemen with zero due process.

Remember your MARTIN NIEMÖLLER:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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They weren't protesting against the virus. They were protesting against the government intruding on rights and using powers that have not been granted to it.
Thank you.

We'll keep posting the same things, over and over and over again until we get enough people's attention....AND 1 more vote than is needed to keep Joe Biden out of office.
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:38 PM
 
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Enough is enough when the first right is violated.

Perceived size and scope and the connection you feel to the victim isn't the measure of an injustice. The measure of an injustice is in fact its existence...period.

Why should any politician listen to one of us peasants when you understand this paradigm?

People kept voting after the Whiskey Rebellion.

They kept voting after the Civil War.

They kept voting after the Federal Reserve creation in 1913.

They kept voting after FDR's socialist expansion.

They kept voting after LBJ's Great Society which cost billions and made society like a dirtier version of Mad Max.

They kept voting after Vietnam.

They kept voting after Iran-Contra.

They kept voting after 9-11 restrictions.

They kept voting after the 2008 bailouts.

They kept voting after Obama and Trump's drone strikes killed American children in Yemen with zero due process.

Remember your MARTIN NIEMÖLLER:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Im sorry. Im not understanding your rhetoric here. I are saying that since people have let us slip into a form of socialism in the past that they no longer have the right to protest?
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Im sorry. Im not understanding your rhetoric here. I are saying that since people have let us slip into a form of socialism in the past that they no longer have the right to protest?
No, I'm saying that once you've accepted a version of socialism (which is totally immoral and illogical) the remedy isn't to ask master to adjust the rules to go back to a different version of socialism.

Master knows that you're already whipped. Why would he listen to you now? You were getting raped 5 times per day. Your rapist ups it to 10. Take it to the streets to go back to 5?

WTF????

NO!

Take it to the streets to go to zero.
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Old 05-03-2020, 12:47 PM
 
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Ok, so you are exposed to the virus. You don't know you've been exposed and are contagious, even though you are exhibiting no symptoms yet. You go to the grocery store. You sneeze while walking down the aisle and infect the person walking past you. Go go the bank and infect the bank teller. You go home and infect your wife. You go into work and infect a bunch of your co-workers. You go and visit your 94 year old grandma and expose her. She get the virus, and because of age and other physical ailments she dies. That is the reason for all of the precautions. It is not some vast left wing conspiracy against you!
Sneezing is a symptom. Exhibiting symptoms or not.

All of that can happen with the flu too. They don't shut the world down for other viruses.

How many weeks can someone go without food before the person starves to death? It takes money to buy food. Keeping people from having an income condemns people to not be able to survive. Food costs money. Medications cost money. Cleaning supplies cost money. Most every essential thing costs money.
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