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Old 05-05-2020, 03:17 PM
 
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What it's showing is how isolationist this administration really is.
And how globalism causes millions to get sick when one obscure ****hole corner of the world makes bad decisions...
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:21 PM
 
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Your words:

“How our healthcare system is flawed and failing the poor.”
It takes a truly special kind of person to argue that our healthcare system is superior and to argue for the preservation of it in the face of the overwhelming data and evidence contrary.
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:25 PM
 
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It takes a truly special kind of person to argue that our healthcare system is superior and to argue for the preservation of it in the face of the overwhelming data and evidence contrary.
It takes another kind to insist that we open the floodgates further and give freebie care to any deadbeat or illegal who contributes nothing to society....

The system is garbage, but not because the poor are more disadvantaged than most of us when it comes to care and ESPECIALLY not when it comes to Coronavirus which was the ENTIRE POINT of this thread.
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:32 PM
 
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It takes another kind to insist that we open the floodgates further and give freebie care to any deadbeat or illegal who contributes nothing to society....

The system is garbage, but not because the poor are more disadvantaged than most of us when it comes to care and ESPECIALLY not when it comes to Coronavirus which was the ENTIRE POINT of this thread.
You’ll never hear me make that libertarian open border argument, and that isn’t the topic of this conversation. Try to stay on topic. Focus...
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:33 PM
 
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All empires get corrupt, divided, and fail. No big news, we are just on way out. Hey we outlasted our old rival USSR by couple decades. Hurray for us.
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:39 PM
 
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How does the individual receiving government paid (which means paid for by taking money form citizens) services, which means the individual being de facto enslaved to the government, make the nation strong?

Just trying to figure out how fostering helplessness and dependence among individuals somehow creates a stronger collective?
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:41 PM
 
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And how globalism causes millions to get sick when one obscure ****hole corner of the world makes bad decisions...

How much globalism was there in 1918 when the Spanish Flu swept the world and killed a third of the population though?
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Hallandale Beach, FL
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Oh pray tell what you meant by that statement then...

You know EXACTLY what you were attempting to imply and now your feelings are hurt because you got called out on just parroting MSM fake news lies.

Cry me a river.
Failing does not equal killing. Instead of assuming why not ask what I meant by failing before going on a rant?

But since you rather assume I will answer for you. By failing I meant that they (poorer folks) are not able to access healthcare in an affordable way, and really are left on their own if they don't work for a company that provides good health insurance. It increases there chances of getting into a lot more debt or not getting the adequate care needed. Our healthcare is failing in that it is the least accessible to those who need the most help, especially in times like these.

Doesn't matter though, you will deny that's what I meant.
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Hallandale Beach, FL
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It takes another kind to insist that we open the floodgates further and give freebie care to any deadbeat or illegal who contributes nothing to society....

The system is garbage, but not because the poor are more disadvantaged than most of us when it comes to care and ESPECIALLY not when it comes to Coronavirus which was the ENTIRE POINT of this thread.
Who is talking about illegal immigrants? Wow you really are all over the place. Do you know what deflect means? Have you ever heard of that term?
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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When I read people talking about "contact tracing experts", I just cannot stop laughing.

Asia’s democracies often took more basic routes, monitoring and managing the outbreak with tools no more advanced than phones, maps, and databases. Singapore in particular rolled out an admired contact tracing system, in which centralized teams of civil servants tracked down and contacted those who might have been affected. Their calls could be shocking. One minute you were oblivious at work; the next minute the Ministry of Health was on the phone, politely informing you that a few days before you had been in a taxi with a driver who subsequently fell ill, or sitting next to an infected diner at a restaurant. Anyone getting such a call was sternly instructed to sprint home and self-isolate.

What made this possible was that anyone infected could be grilled for hours. “They sat me down and interrogated me about my travel: every day, minute by minute,” my friend told me. “Where did I go? Which taxi did I take? Who was I with? For how long?” The process of tracking and tracing was laborious but produced impressive results. Nearly half of the roughly 250 people infected in Singapore by mid-March first learned that they were at risk when someone from the government called and told them.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...-asia-vs-west/

you think the above will ever work in the United states?


In term of the superb S Korea test test, test everybody routine everybody is talking about, the secret is just this:

Just as efficient was South Korea’s testing regime, which in January forced local medical companies to work together to develop new kits and then rolled them out aggressively, allowing planners to keep track of the pandemic’s spread. South Korea had tested about 300,000 people by late March, roughly as many as the United States had managed by then, but in a country with a population one-sixth as large.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...-asia-vs-west/

Keyword: forced

Do you think this will ever work in the United States?

It is not like we don't have the world most advanced technology, believe it or not, political and cultural differences play a role, a very important role.

Freedom, generally, is having the ability to act or change without constraint. Something is "free" if it can change easily and is not constrained in its present state. ... A person has the freedom to do things that will not, in theory or in practice, be prevented by other forces.

People just love to point fingers at the president, but how many Americans, private lab, local medical companies, realistically speaking, are really willing to give up our freedom to do exactly what the asian countries did?

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