Ahmaud Arbery was killed because he ATTACKED a man with a gun....Just like Trayvon Martin! (legal, weapons)

[Boer]

I've been working with young at risk male black youth for multiple decades as an athletic coach in the public school systems (licensed in numerous States) and one thing is abundantly clear... these kids are at a higher risk of gun violence than any other demographic in American history

the reasons for this are many but the topic we should be discussing here today is the fact that you should never try to disarm someone who has a gun pointed at you if you are not defending your property/loved ones and thus cannot flee

This young man should have fled immediately not attacked the men with guns

The last thing on God's green earth he should have done is run toward TWO individuals who had a gun pointed at him, grab that gun and begin attacking one individual with his free hand in some kind of crazy disarmimg attempt senario...thats a 99% fatal decition

What was he hoping to do knockout the man and take his gun away?

He would have certainly been shot by the second individual!

Suicide!!!!

if you have a gun pointed at someone and they grab that gun and begin to punch you in the face you must fire with lethal Force because there's a very good chance that that individual is going to take your gun away and kill you with it...in fact many are killed with their own gun after losing it in a grappling match...its a common scenario

I used to train police in hand-to-hand combat and back in the early 90s I was told that most police were actually killed with their own guns

I don't believe these men intended to shoot this victim but we're forced to when the young man closed, engauged and attacked.

I believe they thought they had a thief caught red-handed and we're about to be neighborhood Heroes by using their guns to control the situation.

Stupid vigilantes emboldened by their weapons

I don't know EXACTLY what precipitated this entire incident but what I have gathered so far is that he was looking into a house under construction and these two men confronted him because they believed he was part of a group of Thieves committing recent break-ins

These two individuals should NEVER have confronted him!

they should have simply kept their eyes on him and called UNIFORMED law enforcement to check out the situation

By setting up a literal ambush they put him in a scenario where he made a terrible decision to attack two armed men and it cost him his life

I would be very curious to know if they identified themselves initially while trying to effect a citizen's arrest or simply drove in front of him and set up an ambush

Any former law enforcement officer should know better then to try to effect a citizen's arrest in the middle of a public road without uniform or backup in a scenario where property crime is simply suspected

Both parties are at fault

This is almost an identical scenario to the Trayvon Martin situation

Never attack a man who is following you with a gun...

Never attack a man who has a gun pointed at you

you should carry a gun yourself so you can defend yourself with lethal Force or run like your life depends on it

https://youtu.be/qEOBDlg9rp8

https://youtu.be/hBHBTi7CZa4

[Daryl_G]

Your arguing, Stand Your Ground laws are dangerous and irresponsible.
In Essence: "People should not defend themselves and should obey a threat making demands" is what your arguing.

Just trying to clarify exactly what your arguing here. I disagree.

[Boer]

Originally Posted by Daryl_G

Your arguing, Stand Your Ground laws are dangerous and irresponsible.
In Essence: "People should not defend themselves and should obey a threat making demands" is what your arguing.

Just trying to clarify exactly what your arguing here. I disagree.

From the OP

"you should carry a gun yourself so you can defend yourself with lethal Force or run like your life depends on it
"

[hooligan]

Originally Posted by Boer

From the OP

"you should carry a gun yourself so you can defend yourself with lethal Force or run like your life depends on it
"

So it would have been better if Arbrey had a gun and pulled it out against 2-3 armed antagonists?

Better for whom?

[fibonacci]

Sorry, even Trump doesn't agree.

[Teacher Terry]

I hope the 2 killers spend the rest of their lives in prison.

[Boer]

Originally Posted by hooligan

So it would have been better if Arbrey had a gun and pulled it out against 2-3 armed antagonists?

Better for whom?

I think he would have had a better chance of survival if he would have ran away

He would have had the second-best chance of survival if he pulled his own gun and defended himself

He had the lowest chance of survival if he tried to physically overpower and disarm 2 men who were clearly larger and stronger than he was

[Boer]

Originally Posted by fibonacci

Sorry, even Trump doesn't agree.

I universally disagree with Donald Trump on virtually every facet of decision making so no surprise there

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by Boer

I think he would have had a better chance of survival if he would have ran away

He would have had the second-best chance of survival if he pulled his own gun and defended himself

He had the lowest chance of survival if he tried to physically overpower and disarm 2 men who were clearly larger and stronger than he was

There were three men pursuing him. The men had a vehicle, he did not. His chances of evading his pursuers wasn't high, either. And he didn't know why they were pursuing him or who they were. He wasn't trying to disarm 2 men. I think he was trying to level the playing field by obtaining one of the weapons.

[Boer]

Originally Posted by Teacher Terry

I hope the 2 killers spend the rest of their lives in prison.

I think it's likely they will even though they didn't intend to kill him as he forced their hand by attacking two men with guns

I don't know Georgia law but most southern hillbilly type States like that likely allow you to pull a gun and aim it at someone you suspect of committing a felony crime and if they attack you you can legally kill them

I think what these men did was absolutely terrible but likely legal

Had he turned/run and been shot in the back they should spend the rest of their lives in prison but the fact that he attacked them gave them the legal right to kill him even though they were largely responsible for the incidents escalation

Don't let the Rabid race-baiting social justice Warrior idiots muck up the proper application of American Justice

Idiotic emboldend morons like these two jackasses should still only be convicted if they broke the law

All they have to do is claim they parked their truck and began to look for the suspect and were surprised when he ran around the side of the truck and grabbed the shotgun while trying to punch one of them in the face

Thats a licence to kill