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Old 06-17-2020, 10:12 AM
 
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School choice truly is the pivotal civil rights issue of our time. For anyone who truly desires to see people in disadvantaged communities given the best possible start as far as receiving a basic education, developing skills and doing all we reasonably can to give everyone a fair shot at the American Dream, providing people the opportunity to choose where their kids go to school is truly a no-brainer.

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President Trump calls school choice the civil rights issue of the decade

Trump was delivering remarks in the Rose Garden on an executive order to encourage police reform amid national unrest over police brutality and racial injustice when he touched on his administration's push for school choice.

"We're fighting for school choice, which really is the civil rights of all time in this country," Trump said. "Frankly, school choice is the civil rights statement of the year, of the decade and probably beyond because all children have to have access to quality education. A child’s ZIP code in America should never determine their future, and that’s what was happening," he continued. "All children deserve equal opportunity because we are all made equal by God."

Vice President Pence earlier Tuesday raised school choice when asked whether black Americans have a harder time making it in the U.S. "I mean, [Joe] Biden says everybody ought to have a fair shot at the American dream. Well, we would say, 'Well, why don't you support allowing African American families to choose where their kids go to school?'" Pence said.
The people blocking this are the Democrat left. Because they are control freaks, who do not care about results or how their policies destroy people's lives. The are obsessed with single-minded, centralized control, results and consequences be damned.

Enough is enough. All of these riots, looting, protests about "systemic racism". It is not possible to equalize the outcomes in everyone's lives without locking everyone in their own prison cell and bringing everyone down to the lowest level possible. It is possible to give people choices that allow them alternatives to schools that have failed them consistently - under Democrat party leadership - for 50+ years now, with no prospects for any significant positive change in sight. Just more of the same.

It is time for school choice. Unless you like a continual procession of riots, looting, arson and divisive race conflict. Sadly, it looks like some people would prefer this kind of strife and conflict, because all they really care about is being in a position of control.
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Old 06-17-2020, 10:21 AM
 
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There are bigger civil rights issues right now.
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Old 06-17-2020, 10:25 AM
 
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Trump is 100% correct in naming school choice/vouchers as a significant Civil Rights issue. 2/3 of Black adults support school vouchers/choice.

So WHY are Dems opposed?
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Old 06-17-2020, 10:28 AM
 
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White people are blocked from colleges today. It’s definitely happening and it does not have to be an Ivy League school. Everything is a race card and a race quota. Colleges are diverse and practice equality, so that means everybody is included except straight white men.

Straight white men are the devil too, btw.
This should not be a "race" issue. All people should be able to have choices for their children's education, and not just richer people. I do not see why this should have anything to do with the predominant skin color of a community in question. Clearly, that is how Democrats have been approaching this, however.

Everyone should have choices regarding their children's schools. The lack of alternatives has been nothing short of catastrophic on generation after generation of lower income students who the Democrat left has intransigently refused to allow to escape this cycle.

This is the civil rights issue of our time. There is literally nothing being proposed that has the power to do more to transform the lives of disadvantaged communities over the longer term by giving their children access to educational alternatives and the improved career and economic prospects that comes from a quality education.
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Old 06-17-2020, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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Trump is 100% correct in naming school choice/vouchers as a significant Civil Rights issue. 2/3 of Black adults support school vouchers/choice.

So WHY are Dems opposed?

It's not dubbed the "democrat plantation" for no reason.
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Old 06-17-2020, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Before school choice can happen, there needs to be a radical overhaul in how schools are funded. Property owners in a high-income, high property tax district aren't going to sit still while parents in lower-income, lower property tax districts choose to send their children to the more affluent district.

Fix the economic inequities in the public school system first, then you can talk about school choice.

Should local school districts continue to exist? Should local taxation be shifted to a state-wide funding stream? Should lower-income schools receive more money per pupil than higher income schools, and how is that fair? How do you balance local control with equitable funding?

Lots of questions to be answered first. School districts have been fighting the funding battle for decades. If you have an equitable solution, by all means contact your state representatives.
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Old 06-17-2020, 10:32 AM
 
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Trump is 100% correct in naming school choice/vouchers as a significant Civil Rights issue. 2/3 of Black adults support school vouchers/choice.

So WHY are Dems opposed?
It's another way to defund education in the poor sections of town. Plain and simple, poor people don't have resources to truck their kids accross town to 'the best school', he knows this. It means that 'demand' will dictate that the affluent schools will grow, getting more money, and better resrources, taking away from the already stressed inner-city (poor) schools.

Sorry, I wrote a quick response, just browsing on my lunch break, but this is such a load of BS.

And even if it were true, what a slap in the face. An education is very important, but maybe you've heard of Maslow's hierarchy? I think the foundation of civil rights is going to be conditioned on people not fearing for their lives every time they get in a car to go to work. Until that is resolved (even Lindsey Graham has admitted it), to say that school choice is a bigger concern than your child getting home alive is just a NASTY NASTY comment.
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Old 06-17-2020, 10:33 AM
 
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There are bigger civil rights issues right now.
What change is being proposed that would be expected to improve the prospects of lower income, disadvantaged communities over the longer term than providing them with the opportunity to choose better schools for their children, giving them a more realistic shot at the American dream?

In terms of constructive improvement, what is a bigger issue than this? Not just a problem, but an actual solution?
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Old 06-17-2020, 10:37 AM
 
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There are bigger civil rights issues right now.
There are bigger emotional issues but civil rights are ……...civil rights... period !!!
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Old 06-17-2020, 10:42 AM
 
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Before school choice can happen, there needs to be a radical overhaul in how schools are funded. Property owners in a high-income, high property tax district aren't going to sit still while parents in lower-income, lower property tax districts choose to send their children to the more affluent district.

Fix the economic inequities in the public school system first, then you can talk about school choice.

Should local school districts continue to exist? Should local taxation be shifted to a state-wide funding stream? Should lower-income schools receive more money per pupil than higher income schools, and how is that fair? How do you balance local control with equitable funding?

Lots of questions to be answered first. School districts have been fighting the funding battle for decades. If you have an equitable solution, by all means contact your state representatives.
Blah, blah, blah. 50 years and more, the Democrat left has been singing this song. And during that time - with Democrats in control in these cities and school districts - most of the worst of these schools have only gotten even more worse.

The conservative right supports these ideas, as they would like to see everyone receive the benefit of a quality basic education, which clearly has not been happening in these lower income Democrat run districts for 50+ years. It is the Democrats who are blocking progress on this, because they are control freaks and want centralized, bureaucratically top-heavy school administration, which is pretty clearly being run for the benefit of the administrators and the teachers unions, and not for the children.

If the Democrats would support these changes, they would happen. But the inconvenient truth is - as demonstrated by the results - that they just do not care. What is important to the Democrat left leaders of this cabal is that their control of this mess, results be damned.
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