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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
uhm "path to citizenship" is just that amnesty
Well actually, NO! It IS NOT!
By your (il)logic, anyone who gains citizenship by obtaining a green card and jumping thru all the hoops to citizenship has been granted amnesty which despite your claim to the contrary, they have not.
The ONLY place mention of amnesty exists in Biden's cited Tweet is in the biased imaginations of his detractors.
That's utter NONSENSE! "Path to citizenship" can well mean first obtaining a green card then jumping through all the required hoops to attain citizenship, it most certainly IS NOT "further than amnesty", as I said, many conveniently ignore facts they don't care for.
By your (il)logic, anyone who gains citizenship by obtaining a green card and jumping thru all the hoops to citizenship has been granted amnesty which despite your claim to the contrary, they have not.
actually it is..(and no not your greencard strawman)
giving the ILLEGALS the GIFT of not removing them (amnesty) is giving them a pathway to citizenship...and
giving the ILLEGALS the GIFT of a pathway to citizenship, is GIVING them amnesty (a reward)
the amnesty is making them not illegal so they can have a pathway to citizenship...without an amnesty, (removing their ILLEGAL STAUS) there is no pathway
a pathway to citizenship is amnesty and more...it REQUIRES amnesty (to make them not ILLEGAL)
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
actually it is..(and no not your greencard strawman)
giving the ILLEGALS the GIFT of not removing them (amnesty) is giving them a pathway to citizenship...and
giving the ILLEGALS the GIFT of a pathway to citizenship, is GIVING them amnesty (a reward)
the amnesty is making them not illegal so they can have a pathway to citizenship...without an amnesty, (removing their ILLEGAL STAUS) there is no pathway
Well, by definition, amnesty is for the convicted. And a path to citizenship requiring that they work/pay taxes is hardly that. So, GUESS AGAIN!
And what is giving them a job that allows their employer to benefit from cheap labor called? Illegals come here to earn $$$. Eliminate those that hire them and the problem goes away but wouldn't want to upset the donors, eh?
Well, by definition, amnesty is for the convicted. And a path to citizenship requiring that they work/pay taxes is hardly that. So, GUESS AGAIN!
And what is giving them a job that allows their employer to benefit from cheap labor called? Illegals come here to earn $$$. Eliminate those that hire them and the problem goes away but wouldn't want to upset the donors, eh?
wrong
amnesty (forgiving an illegal action) is not only for the convicted, but also for those who have not been convicted, but have done something illegal
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noun,plural am·nes·ties.
1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction. 2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.
3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.
the people who are here illegally.. (those whom have overstayed a visa, and those whom have "crossed a border in the night") are all ILLEGAL (not undocumented ), and the ONLY way for them to get a "path to citizenship" is to grant/give them an amnesty
Last edited by workingclasshero; 06-19-2020 at 01:44 PM..
We don't have to deport them. They weren't imported here, so they won't have to be deported. If you remove the incentives, they will leave.
YES! That's the first thing that should be done.
Well, we are on the same page.
But, nobody seems to be much interested in removing the incentives and going after employers.
Many say it is not the responsibility of employers to judge if a potential employee is legal. That's the exact same logic sanctuary cities use. It is not their duty to do immigration's job, especially considering the expense involved.
So here we all are. Stuck in limbo, again. Nobody is doing jack. Except *****.
We can’t keep these people in legal limbo their entire lives; it’s time to give amnesty to the dreamers.
Republicans have given no policy alternative to amnesty over the past two decades, and they have been given every opportunity to implement it. Yet - they never do anything.
They are the ones keeping themselves in "legal limbo". All they have to do is go back to their own countries. That's where they belong.
actually it is..(and no not your greencard strawman)
giving the ILLEGALS the GIFT of not removing them (amnesty) is giving them a pathway to citizenship...and
giving the ILLEGALS the GIFT of a pathway to citizenship, is GIVING them amnesty (a reward)
the amnesty is making them not illegal so they can have a pathway to citizenship...without an amnesty, (removing their ILLEGAL STAUS) there is no pathway
a pathway to citizenship is amnesty and more...it REQUIRES amnesty (to make them not ILLEGAL)
One more time.
Why don't you read up on what it would cost USA taxpayers to deport illegals? How long would it take?
Then you will be in a position to have an informed opinion.
Then figure out who will roof, install flooring, cut up your chickens, etc. Who is making money off the backs of illegals? The University did a study in Texas some years back. One half the construction workers in Texas are illegal. Tell me which Texas Senator Cruz or Cornyn, governor or Lt gov. is going to send them packing?
The longer the politicians do nothing the more it cost taxpayers.
Why don't you read up on what it would cost USA taxpayers to deport illegals? How long would it take?
Then you will be in a position to have an informed opinion.
Then figure out who will roof, install flooring, cut up your chickens, etc. Who is making money off the backs of illegals? The University did a study in Texas some years back. One half the construction workers in Texas are illegal. Tell me which Texas Senator Cruz or Cornyn, governor or Lt gov. is going to send them packing?
The longer the politicians do nothing the more it cost taxpayers.
uhm..one more time...
did I say we should round up all and deport....NO, as the cost would be astronomical … but if we catch them, if they do another crime, to include driving without a license...then yes send those packing back to their country, not to our jails
questions....
why are actual citizens not 'willing' to do those jobs??…
why are employers allowed to hire ANYBODY (legal citizen or not) OFF THE BOOKS???....
why when someone asks that question (the off the books question) do liberals go and say you are against immigrants (when the question is about anyone working off the books, not paying into the federal tax coffers)???...
why when people ask about getting rid of the federal income tax, and going with a spending tax, do the liberals not acknowledge that 50% of all income earned is from "off the books" and not reported???
Last edited by workingclasshero; 06-19-2020 at 04:53 PM..
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