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Old 06-29-2020, 08:25 AM
 
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The Russian bounty story has been confirmed by numerous sources, including British intelligence.

The only thing in dispute at the moment is whether Trump was briefed.

Either he wasn't briefed, which means the intelligence community didn't trust him with this information.

Or he was briefed and didn't do anything.
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Old 06-29-2020, 08:26 AM
 
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Also, nuclear war is not the only option here.

According to reports, Trump was presented a range of response options. I'll bet sanctions were on that list and nuclear war was not.

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Old 06-29-2020, 09:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
The Russian bounty story has been confirmed by numerous sources, including British intelligence.

The only thing in dispute at the moment is whether Trump was briefed.

Either he wasn't briefed, which means the intelligence community didn't trust him with this information.

Or he was briefed and didn't do anything.
Here's the thing, neither scenario makes Trump look any better. Let's run through them.

1. He was not briefed.
If this is what happened, the question becomes why. It's long been reported that Trump doesn't care about briefings, doesn't pay attention to the meetings and doesn't read any intelligence reports because he finds them boring. If he wasn't briefed about this, it's because he wasn't trusted enough to care, as you said. At best, that's dereliction of duty on the part of both Trump and the officials tasked with providing him information. A president is supposed to be responsible for the security of the nation, and as commander-in-chief, he is supposed to know what is going on with military and threats against it. If officials don't give him the information, they're not doing their duty. And if Trump can't be trusted with the information when they do give it to him, he has failed in his job as a leader and shouldn't be in office.

2. He was briefed and did nothing.
This seems to be more supported by the evidence. Officials have claimed he was, in fact, briefed on this months ago, and that the White House apparently came up with several potential responses, but then did nothing. For my money, this is treason. Why would a US president not only ignore a foreign nation paying to have our soldiers murdered, but actively continue to maintain a friendly relationship with them without consequence? That's far worse than just dereliction of duty. That's selling out your nation and your military intentionally. And it's hardly the first time he's trashed the military. At the very least, this should be the death knell to Trump's re-election chances, and if we had a Republican Senate that wasn't just as morally bankrupt as Trump, he would be removed from office immediately.

The fact is that his supporters don't care how many people Trump gets killed. They don't care about American lives lost either because of his incompetence on the virus response or those being killed by his bestie Putin. They'll continue to make all the excuses they can think of to continue clinging to him. They'll whatabout with Obama, they'll blame Democrats, they'll say it's all fake news. The cognitive dissonance will only get worse. That's why we can't count on Trumpers to do the right thing. The rest of us have to step up and show up to vote, to make sure this monstrous traitor is removed from office so that we can get our nation back. Whatever concerns there are about Biden, at this point they are small potatoes compared to the national threat that is Donald Trump.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:08 AM
 
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You have zero clue on what is going on behind the scenes.
But you do?
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:10 AM
 
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How is this any different than Obama doing nothing while we were cyber attacked by Iran and NK? You can't just start a war with a nuclear power. Everyone loses.
oh please...Obama is not president, is that all you've got because that makes about as much sense as me blaming that is happening now on Bush.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:11 AM
 
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As much as I despise Trump from the very start, I couldn't imagine that he would allow the killing of American soldiers. I really could have never imagined that Republicans and the right would support it.

I was shocked when Kim sent back an American prisoner in body bag and the right supported that. This baffles my mind.
The guy that trashed Gold Star families, that said he didn't like POWs because that were captured, the guy that avoided military service by lying about bone spurs, etc. is definitely no friend of the military.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:12 AM
 
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Here's the thing, neither scenario makes Trump look any better. Let's run through them.

1. He was not briefed.
If this is what happened, the question becomes why. It's long been reported that Trump doesn't care about briefings, doesn't pay attention to the meetings and doesn't read any intelligence reports because he finds them boring. If he wasn't briefed about this, it's because he wasn't trusted enough to care, as you said. At best, that's dereliction of duty on the part of both Trump and the officials tasked with providing him information. A president is supposed to be responsible for the security of the nation, and as commander-in-chief, he is supposed to know what is going on with military and threats against it. If officials don't give him the information, they're not doing their duty. And if Trump can't be trusted with the information when they do give it to him, he has failed in his job as a leader and shouldn't be in office.

2. He was briefed and did nothing.
This seems to be more supported by the evidence. Officials have claimed he was, in fact, briefed on this months ago, and that the White House apparently came up with several potential responses, but then did nothing. For my money, this is treason. Why would a US president not only ignore a foreign nation paying to have our soldiers murdered, but actively continue to maintain a friendly relationship with them without consequence? That's far worse than just dereliction of duty. That's selling out your nation and your military intentionally. And it's hardly the first time he's trashed the military. At the very least, this should be the death knell to Trump's re-election chances, and if we had a Republican Senate that wasn't just as morally bankrupt as Trump, he would be removed from office immediately.

The fact is that his supporters don't care how many people Trump gets killed. They don't care about American lives lost either because of his incompetence on the virus response or those being killed by his bestie Putin. They'll continue to make all the excuses they can think of to continue clinging to him. They'll whatabout with Obama, they'll blame Democrats, they'll say it's all fake news. The cognitive dissonance will only get worse. That's why we can't count on Trumpers to do the right thing. The rest of us have to step up and show up to vote, to make sure this monstrous traitor is removed from office so that we can get our nation back. Whatever concerns there are about Biden, at this point they are small potatoes compared to the national threat that is Donald Trump.
Well, I can understand why they might not brief Trump on this as he hands classified intel over to Russians right in the Oval Office.

Congressional hearing to get to the bottom of who knew when might solve this mystery.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:13 AM
 
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The guy that trashed Gold Star families, that said he didn't like POWs because they were captured, the guy that avoided military service by lying about bone spurs, etc. is definitely no friend of the military.
Nope.

He handed classified intel over to Russia.

Handed U.S. military bases over to Russia.

Handed our Kurdish allies over to Russia.

No wonder Trump isn't keeping his salary from U.S. taxpayers. He isn't working for us.

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Old 06-29-2020, 09:17 AM
 
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Thats right. Russia paid bounties for dead Americans in Afghanistan...and Trump did nothing upon learning about it.


What a weak coward.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ru...ort-2020-06-26
To be fair he did thank Putin by trying to get him back into the G8
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:18 AM
 
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Well, I can understand why they might not brief Trump on this as he hands classified intel over to Russians right in the Oval Office.

Congressional hearing to get to the bottom of who knew when might solve this mystery.
I don't really think there's much mystery here. The worst-case scenario has pretty much always turned out true with him. The only reason he's still president at all is because the GOP is complicit. Congressional hearings won't do anything. Republicans will simply grandstand and provide cover. Trump doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, as neither scenario would exonerate him from responsibility. He is a poor excuse for a leader and an even worse excuse for a human being.

We need to vote him out, and make it such a landslide repudiation that his gaslighting about voter fraud rings as hollow as it really is. And then when he's out of office, I hope he's prosecuted.
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