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Old 07-02-2020, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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reformed thinking on how living spaces and working spaces combined help construct a community with shared stock and cooperation.
You cannot have a community if all you have is transplants and immigrants who live in a neighborhood temporarily until they find something better. But that is exactly what a city is, and that is what it will always be.

The only way you can really have a community in a city is to prevent land from being bought or sold. But ironically, community is detrimental to society as a whole because it is by its nature exclusionary. Over time these communities will tend to separate from the rest of society to the point of near isolation.


Historically, hill people only married other hill people, and valley people only married other valley people. This caused each group to become distinct. If a conflict arose, their loyalties would only be to their own group. To unite the two groups you need integration. Move hill people into the valley, and valley people into the hills, until they become one community. Most of this was done through intermarriage, where they would encourage men to take brides from the neighboring tribes. And on a political level, a prince would marry a princess from another kingdom.

Integration in Western countries was in large part the result of the social taboo of consanguineous marriage. Basically, if there is social pressure to only marry strangers, family is more dispersed, everyone becomes related to everyone. This should be obvious when you think of interracial marriages breaking down the concept of race.


Which comes to my main criticism of the left; They want community but they don't know what a community is. Which is why they constantly promote policies that destroy it. Not only do they destroy community, they destroy family, they destroy everything. And they refuse to accept responsibility for what they're doing, their idealism blinds them to reality.

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Old 07-02-2020, 08:22 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Americans watch way too much TV & movies to assume something like CHOP could work. If anyone these people actually paid any attention to their history classes they would know better. We are still barely evolved from cavemen.
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Old 07-02-2020, 08:35 AM
 
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This is the part I don't get, so please educate me. There are aspects of society, ANY society, that can be improved upon. That doesn't mean it needs a complete reformation. It sounds an awful lot like you are promoting socialism which is what a co-op society is.

Do YOU want a government that takes your wealth to give to the have-nots, tells you how much you can make, how much food you can have, what you can watch on TV, and basically controls every aspect of your life? That has never worked anywhere and it sure won't work in the USA.

We are a FREE society, and many have died for that privilege. This is a land of opportunity and the reason millions want to come here. We are not perfect but no country or society is, and we are still the best in the world. If you don't think so, go live in Cuba or Venezuela. Then come back and tell us how good a co-op world is.
Of course he/she does because he is a have not.
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Old 07-02-2020, 12:51 PM
 
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"Communal gardens"? Seriously?

OP---How could you not have noticed the sign at the "communal garden" that said the garden was only to be used by blacks and Native American Indians?

And you support segregation and exclusion?
Restricting garden access to only blacks and native Americans? That is digustingly racist.
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Old 07-02-2020, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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at its heart CHOP was a movement about how we allocate capital in a developed mainstream society.
I would bet that not a single CHOP resident knew that.
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Old 07-02-2020, 02:31 PM
 
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Here read this, they had actual trash centers: https://grist.org/ask-umbra/what-is-...-trying-to-do/

They weren't starting from scratch, they were utilizing the city infrastructure to use collective labor so everyone was valued in the community.

This is the way communities were organized in America before commuter culture broke through and financial speculators divided zones by residential and commercial needs while populating an area with transplants and immigrants with no connection to the land.

They messed up a lot, and there was a lot of trash in CHOP, but it had the fundamentals to improve. Rather than cultivating this new form of capital distribution and political organization to help build up a producer economy based on guilds nationally, it was torn down.

It should have been worked on and improved, not destroyed.
Thank goodness it was destroyed. Good riddance.
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Old 07-02-2020, 02:34 PM
 
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While CHOP was pooling together labor to clean up the trash,
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CHOP WAS the trash, and they have been taken out, your Boo Hoos nothwithstanding.
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Old 07-02-2020, 02:34 PM
 
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I am devastated. I know many here are gleeful as the municipal government runs over the barricades and destroy all the work of the organizers, but I want everyone to stop and think for a second.

What does this say for the future of our country? .
HAW what tripe.

The stupid knuckleheads decided to go after the idiotic Mayor's house. She didn't care if they tore up the city, but when they went there, that was the end of it.

hahahahahaha

Modern progressives have to be the most stupid people on the planet.
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Old 07-02-2020, 02:47 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Communal living is not new but always the same -a lack of liberty and law protection -with the few exploiting the many in the name of a cause
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Old 07-02-2020, 02:50 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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I would bet that not a single CHOP resident knew that.
They were nothing more than social outcasts and losers in life. Well balanced educated productive members of society with strong family bonds and friends that have an understanding of how healthy communities work and thrive would have nothing to with any of this dumbass nonsense.

Wish I could use stronger language.
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