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View Poll Results: if black americans were "model minorities", would we still have racial tension?
Yes, racism and hate would still exist as it does today 33 17.37%
Some, but a lot less 92 48.42%
No, racism as it currently exists in the US would cease to exist 55 28.95%
Don't know 10 5.26%
Voters: 190. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-05-2020, 10:35 AM
 
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Before answering this question let me get something out of the way. Have African Americans been inhumanly affected by systemic racism and prejudiced in the past? Of course. I'm not saying this to be PC, its a fact. However, everything must be looked at objectively. Although there are still modern day examples of prejudice and systematic racism towards African Americans; thankfully its not the primary cause of the socioeconomic disparity between blacks and white.

Biologically humans have gone through very little evolution in the last few thousand years. Therefore, its very easy to predict universal behaviors, patterns and beliefs that are disadvantageous and advantageous to people. One of the biggest indicators to future probability of financial success in individuals, communities and cultures is their beliefs/actions in any post discriminatory future.

Individuals/groups that acknowledge the tragedy but actively act to improve THEMSELVES/THEIR COLLECTIVE group historically have had a disproportionate amount of success in comparison to groups who demanded change/advantages from the group that offended them. This is because its a lot easier to improve ourselves to ensure success then to try to change external factors. This is especially true in any society that already has a somewhat level playing field that doesn't actively/overtly discriminate based on race. The US has been in that state for decades so is plenty of opportunity for minority groups to achieve success. Coincidentally, the most recent example of the above in history is a group I saw mentioned quite a few times in this thread: Indians.

Although chattel enslavement of Indians (when talking about cumulative total) comes nowhere near the amount of Africans enslaved; their treatment was similar. In fact, in the early 19th century the East India Company had approximately 1.1 million Indian slaves and an equal number of indentured servants. Slavery was abolished by the British in 1843. In comparison, the US had approximately 4 million slaves until emancipation in 1863. So there were a lot more African American slaves but no one can deny that a significant amount of Indians were enslaved.

India gained freedom from the British Empire in 1947 vs 1964 for the civil rights movement in the US. As you can see from a historical standpoint the two groups were discriminated against by Whites around the same time. However, this is where history diverges. One group acknowledged the injustice done against their race and adopted the tried and true historical method of "improving oneself." As a result India is now one of the "emerging superpowers." Also, as immigrants to the USA they have an overall positive perception from other races (just as this thread demonstrated). The other lesser known fact is that because they focused on self improvement they have the highest median income of any group within the US. This is the most conclusive proof we have that the system in the US has improved to a point where former disparaged groups can succeed if they adopt certain behaviors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...usehold_income

The other group also acknowledged the injustice against their group. However, instead of taking the historically safe method of socioeconomically improving themselves; they tried a method that rarely results in success. The result is what we see today.

 
Old 07-05-2020, 10:39 AM
 
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Before answering this question let me get something out of the way. Have African Americans been inhumanly affected by systemic racism and prejudiced in the past? Of course. I'm not saying this to be PC, its a fact. However, everything must be looked at objectively. Although there are still modern day examples of prejudice and systematic racism towards African Americans; thankfully its not the primary cause of the socioeconomic disparity between blacks and white.

Biologically humans have gone through very little evolution in the last few thousand years. Therefore, its very easy to predict universal behaviors, patterns and beliefs that are disadvantageous and advantageous to people. One of the biggest indicators to future probability of financial success in individuals, communities and cultures is their beliefs/actions in any post discriminatory future.

Individuals/groups that acknowledge the tragedy but actively act to improve THEMSELVES/THEIR COLLECTIVE group historically have had a disproportionate amount of success in comparison to groups who demanded change/advantages from the group that offended them. This is because its a lot easier to improve ourselves to ensure success then to try to change external factors. This is especially true in any society that already has a somewhat level playing field that doesn't actively/overtly discriminate based on race. The US has been in that state for decades so is plenty of opportunity for minority groups to achieve success. Coincidentally, the most recent example of the above in history is a group I saw mentioned quite a few times in this thread: Indians.

Although chattel enslavement of Indians (when talking about cumulative total) comes nowhere near the amount of Africans enslaved; their treatment was similar. In fact, in the early 19th century the East India Company had approximately 1.1 million Indian slaves and an equal number of indentured servants. Slavery was abolished by the British in 1843. In comparison, the US had approximately 4 million slaves until emancipation in 1863. So there were a lot more African American slaves but no one can deny that a significant amount of Indians were enslaved.

India gained freedom from the British Empire in 1947 vs 1964 for the civil rights movement in the US. As you can see from a historical standpoint the two groups were discriminated against by Whites around the same time. However, this is where history diverges. One group acknowledged the injustice done against their race and adopted the tried and true historical method of "improving oneself." As a result India is now one of the "emerging superpowers." Also, as immigrants to the USA they have an overall positive perception from other races (just as this thread demonstrated). The other lesser known fact is that because they focused on self improvement they have the highest median income of any group within the US. This is the most conclusive proof we have that the system in the US has improved to a point where former disparaged groups can succeed if they adopt certain behaviors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...usehold_income

The other group also acknowledged the injustice against their group. However, instead of taking the historically safe method of socioeconomically improving themselves; they tried a method that rarely results in success. The result is what we see today.
If blacks were not here, you would not have any problems with us. That is a fact.
 
Old 07-05-2020, 10:44 AM
 
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Give an example of systematic racism, other than affirmative action (which works against whites).
Black district attorney severely prosecuting a white police officer for self defense.
 
Old 07-05-2020, 10:49 AM
 
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The intellect of whites is far superior, as you all have tested and proven, excluding blacks systematically in every sector of white society that actually matters. Sports and entertainment don’t matter when it comes to building and maintaining societies. So yes, all modern systems are racist against blacks because of natural thought process and behavior.
But not every white person has higher intellect than every black person. It's more a problem of compatibility and interchangeability than a question of intellect. I have no problem with Ben Carson holding a cabinet position for instance.
 
Old 07-05-2020, 10:57 AM
 
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But not every white person has higher intellect than every black person. It's more a problem of compatibility and interchangeability than a question of intellect. I have no problem with Ben Carson holding a cabinet position for instance.
The US should be 1% black. Blacks should not live in countries and territories that are predominantly white. The two races are not compatible and has been proven since the beginning.
 
Old 07-05-2020, 10:59 AM
 
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Black district attorney severely prosecuting a white police officer for self defense.
How often does that happen? Blacks are not attorneys in large numbers, and was it really self-defense? Hmmm.
 
Old 07-05-2020, 11:02 AM
 
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How often does that happen? Blacks are not attorneys in large numbers, and was it really self-defense? Hmmm.
They are mayors, prosecutors, police chiefs, police officers etc in many major cities. Blacks are a major part of government systems maybe over represented there.
 
Old 07-05-2020, 11:06 AM
 
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The US should be 1% black. Blacks should not live in countries and territories that are predominantly white. The two races are not compatible and has been proven since the beginning.
I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but that goes for all diversity not just blacks. Blacks have sort of a founder's or long standing homesteader right to be here though. Diversity doesn't want to leave and imposes itself and diversifying white societies is official policy and ardently enforced.
 
Old 07-05-2020, 11:18 AM
 
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They are mayors, prosecutors, police chiefs, police officers etc in many major cities. Blacks are a major part of government systems maybe over represented there.
Not a black system. They are all just playing the game right alongside websites in a white-controlled system. Remember, name of the game is getting all you can.
 
Old 07-05-2020, 11:24 AM
 
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I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but that goes for all diversity not just blacks. Blacks have sort of a founder's or long standing homesteader right to be here though. Diversity doesn't want to leave and imposes itself and diversifying white societies is official policy and ardently enforced.
The US has done wrong with its diversity. That’s the problem. Many other countries are diverse and have done better by far. The US is biggest failure in diversity and dealing with the major differences of its racial populations than anywhere else.
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