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Old 07-13-2020, 10:30 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You were wrong about the trespass law in Missouri. Would you like to be wrong about this as well? I’ll bet you can’t cite Missouri law that backs up this nonsense claim.
Missouri Revised Statutes - § 569.140. — Trespass in the first degree.

569.140. 1. A person commits the crime of trespass in the first degree if he knowingly enters unlawfully or knowingly remains unlawfully in a building or inhabitable structure or upon real property.

2. A person does not commit the crime of trespass in the first degree by entering or remaining upon real property unless the real property is fenced or otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders or as to which notice against trespass is given by:

(1) Actual communication to the actor; or

(2) Posting in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders.


Nope, You just posted exactly what I said.

See: enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders.
A 3 strand barbed wire is not that
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Old 07-13-2020, 10:44 AM
 
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Thanks for the clarification.





I agree, this couple are not good people. The settle disputes with threats and guns. They are paranoid and overreacted when they thought the protesters were targeting them for some bizarre reason if that's what they really believe.
Thankfully, the Constitution does not require that citizens justify or explain whey they felt threatened, the only requirement is that they FEEL threatened, (that can vary considerably from person to person).
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Old 07-13-2020, 10:53 AM
 
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It is the platform for the M16. I first shot one in 1967, before the M16 existed. It was designed for the military.

And yes, the civilian version is "full semi auto", regardless of what you think that means.
It’s not a big deal, but the M16 existed, and entered US military service, prior to 1967.

The civilian AR15 is not capable of full auto. “Full semi auto” isn’t a thing. It’s nonsensical.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:10 AM
 
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Part 2. Posted Trespass.
Not just because it is fenced or gated. Posted Trespass must have a contact phone number. The Game Wardens are on that around here, for illegally posted no Trespass and no contact.
There are reasonable conditions one may need to enter property lines, or ask the property owner to remove another mans property that has strayed onto his(cows, horses, dogs, planes, drones....)
Read the Missouri law. You continue to be wrong about this.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:13 AM
 
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Missouri Revised Statutes - § 569.140. — Trespass in the first degree.

569.140. 1. A person commits the crime of trespass in the first degree if he knowingly enters unlawfully or knowingly remains unlawfully in a building or inhabitable structure or upon real property.

2. A person does not commit the crime of trespass in the first degree by entering or remaining upon real property unless the real property is fenced or otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders or as to which notice against trespass is given by:

(1) Actual communication to the actor; or

(2) Posting in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders.


Nope, You just posted exactly what I said.

See: enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders.
A 3 strand barbed wire is not that
The property in question meets the requirements of all conditions (except actual communication). It is fenced to exclude intruders. It is posted.

The property in question is not enclosed by a three strand barbed wire fence. Where are you getting that from?

The posting of signage is not required in Missouri, fencing/gating is sufficient.

I know reading comprehension can be difficult, but it’s almost like you aren’t even trying.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The property in question meets the requirements of all conditions. It is fenced to exclude intruders. It is posted.

The posting of signage is not required in Missouri, fencing/gating is sufficient.

I know reading comprehension can be difficult, but it’s almost like you aren’t even trying.
Gate is open. No trespassing notice on it. Does not meet the law.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:30 AM
 
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Gate is open. No trespassing notice on it. Does not meet the law.
There is no evidence that the gate was open prior to the arrival of the mob. But it doesn’t matter. Even if the gate is open, it’s still trespassing. If you leave the door to your house open, people aren’t free to enter. If they do, it’s trespassing.

All three gates are signed. The right side pedestrian gate, where the mob entered, is signed. The Center vehicle gate is signed. The left side pedestrian gate, where the mob didn’t enter, is signed.

However, even if there were no signage, it’s still trespassing. Reference Missouri trespass law, that I have posted multiple times (and that you continue to ignore).

The old engineer continues to be wrong about every aspect of this. Aren’t you tired of being embarrassed?
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:43 AM
 
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Does Missouri law define what "brandishing' a firearm is? Michigan law does not define "brandishing".
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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There is no evidence that the gate was open prior to the arrival of the mob. But it doesn’t matter. Even if the gate is open, it’s still trespassing. If you leave the door to your house open, people aren’t free to enter. If they do, it’s trespassing.

All three gates are signed. The right side pedestrian gate, where the mob entered, is signed. The Center vehicle gate is signed. The left side pedestrian gate, where the mob didn’t enter, is signed.

However, even if there were no signage, it’s still trespassing. Reference Missouri trespass law, that I have posted multiple times (and that you continue to ignore).

The old engineer continues to be wrong about every aspect of this. Aren’t you tired of being embarrassed?
You continue to misstate the law. Real Estate and domiciles have very different rules. And the gate is open as the protesters pass through it. Fact.

And it is signed with a Private Drive sign that does not mention trespassing. The law requires no trespasssing signs which it is not. And I would still argue that McCloskey is not authorized in any way to refuse use of the road to anyone. Only someone with Association authority can do that.

And the TaxPhd obviously is lost outside of the tax code.
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Old 07-13-2020, 12:07 PM
 
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You continue to misstate the law. Real Estate and domiciles have very different rules. And the gate is open as the protesters pass through it. Fact.

And it is signed with a Private Drive sign that does not mention trespassing. The law requires no trespasssing signs which it is not. And I would still argue that McCloskey is not authorized in any way to refuse use of the road to anyone. Only someone with Association authority can do that.

And the TaxPhd obviously is lost outside of the tax code.
The law has been quoted multiple times, and the law DOESN'T require signage when the property is fenced.

Feel free to quote the law, and explain its inapplicability. Or just continue to make up nonsense out of thin air.
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